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Post by kijuro on Dec 1, 2010 16:43:30 GMT -6
So the speculation has it that the writers of the next film are considering Khan, or some other classic series villain as the antagonist of the next film. I for one would prefer that the films not be remakes of old episodes, or even touch on them.
I'm hoping for something with a good deal of action, but also where the Enterprise crew encounter something new and fantastic through exploration, as well as having them face a moral dilemma. That way the people who are fans only of the new film can appreciate what made TOS great.
Now, my question is If any classic episode were remade or reimagined for the next film, which one would you like to see? My choices, in order of airdate:
1. Balance of Terror, the only problem would be that it would be so similar to the first film.
2. Arena, moral issue, combat, new civilization. Only thing is that there was not much for anyone else besides Kirk to do in that episode.
3. The Doomsday Machine, which was so sweet. Reading the TNG novel "Vendetta" gave me a greater appreciation for the Doomsday machine. However, it seems that this would be more action than anything else.
4. The Apple. This would probably be my top choice. Have the alien computer be able to generate a ship for the Enterprise to fight so that Scotty, Chekov and Sulu have something to and send Kirk, McCoy, Spock and Uhura down to the planet.
What do you think?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 3, 2010 8:26:33 GMT -6
If by the new film you mean the "NuTrek" universe, I really have no opinion. I loathed the first movie so much, I will not be watching the next one anyway.
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Post by Luke on Dec 4, 2010 9:00:06 GMT -6
Yeah, but I think what he's asking is assuming it is doen right, which episode would you pick?
I think a movie has to have a strong villain (probaly why Space Seed was chosen in the first place for Wrath of Khan). Thing is the four that Kijuro mentioned dont quite fit that. How about something more like Return of the Archons? Or a cross betwen the Apple and Return?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 6, 2010 8:33:09 GMT -6
Okay fair enough. To tell the truth, I was looking at this topic through the eyes of a moderator, trying to decide if it really belongs in the TOS section or whether it should be moved to the Star Trek XI section. I'll reserve judgment for now.
"The Return of the Archons" would be a good one, or how about "Spectre of the Gun"?
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Post by kijuro on Dec 7, 2010 11:29:40 GMT -6
No offense, but Balance of Terror and Arena don't have awesome antagonists? And in The Apple, more could be done with the computer to make it sinister. I was kind of thinking, too that Doomsday Machine could have multiple parties fighting over being able to control the planet eater. Or the planet eater could be manned.
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Post by Arkroyal on Dec 7, 2010 17:07:04 GMT -6
I've not seen any of those episodes so I'll try and get around to them (but I've an essay due next Thursday and a Firefly boxset due this week!) but I'd like it if they did something new. I mean unfortunately the idea of a planet eater may stray either a) too close to this last film or b) too close to most people's image of Star Wars (and we're close enough already thanks!) even if Star Trek DID do it first.
I mean this is TOS - what about the Klingons or the Romulans?
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Post by Luke on Dec 8, 2010 13:12:55 GMT -6
Course Romulans were the badguys in the last movie. Yes I'm talking about Nemesis, but also in ST XI. Klingons would be a good idea if this is Nutrek we're talking about.
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Post by Luke on Dec 8, 2010 13:16:11 GMT -6
No offense, but Balance of Terror and Arena don't have awesome antagonists? And in The Apple, more could be done with the computer to make it sinister. In turn not intending any offesne but in a word no, not STRONG villains. The Romulan commander in Balance made for a pretty interesting confrontation on television but I'm saying a movie needs a big overthetop villain. And that goes for the Gorn too. The Gorn is great don't get me wrong, but gosh all they did was waltz around in the desret trying to kill one another. They were barely able to stretch that one out to a full hour and you want to make a two hour movie about it?
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Post by kijuro on Dec 8, 2010 16:21:09 GMT -6
Point taken, Luke-sama. I think that the Romulan Commander was kind of too good for the Enterprise to kill. If they did him again the Romulans would look like the heroes. Plus that would be another of Marc Lenard's roles filled insufficiently (Ben Cross did well, but does not scream "Legendary Statesman" to look at him).
I'm thinking Gorn from Enterprise. They seemed lethal. Well, except for walking into gravity traps.
I'd prefer an original story myself. And I hope that if they have Klingons they go flat-forehead. Those silver tongued devils were the best.
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Post by Luke on Dec 11, 2010 8:39:17 GMT -6
I barely remember the Gorn in ENT but it didn't seem all that intelligent to me. I was basically running around like a velociraptor. Now if they could combine the best of both worlds that would be a great villain for a movie!
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Post by kijuro on Dec 12, 2010 15:11:21 GMT -6
Agreed!
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Post by Luke on Dec 15, 2010 12:17:15 GMT -6
About the klingons that presents kind of a problem. I liked the TOS Klingons better too because that's what I grew up on. But it we're going to accapt Worf we pretty much have to accept that Klingons have those brow ridges and everything else that goes with it. I never bought the idea of a virus that just smoothed out their forehead ridges. It just seems to me if we accept taht klingons really do have those ridges on their heads, that 's just the way they are.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 17, 2010 8:15:02 GMT -6
I know what you mean. It's similar to the way we accept the lower-budget special effects in TOS. That's just the way it is. What I didn't like about the TNG Klingons is the way they were suddenly long-haired barbarians, butting heads and drinking themselves into comas at the drop of a hat. At first, they weren't like that. Remember "Heart of Glory?" That wasn't too bad. What happened after that?
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Post by Luke on Dec 18, 2010 9:27:33 GMT -6
Oh, the Klingon death howl. That's about the only thing I remember from that epi.
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Post by kijuro on Dec 19, 2010 14:52:30 GMT -6
Ron Moore. Moore was one of two people who primarily wrote the Klingons. He envisioned them as Shakespearean samurai, while the other writer (can't remember the name), wrote them more as Vikings. I think that the Shakespearean thing isn't too far off from the original Klingon portrayal.
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