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Post by j on Jun 4, 2008 4:04:46 GMT -6
I just watched Broken Bow (1 and 2) and it made me wonder how all of the species are so advanced. They all seem to have some kind of hailing system where they talk to each other from ship to ship/planet/etc. Was this technology first made by a certain race and then other races followed suit. It just seems odd to me that everyone knows how to hail and has something that can hail.
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Post by Spock on Jun 4, 2008 19:12:13 GMT -6
it is quite skeptical to figure out what happened here. its tough going from futuristic technology to past tense. Cant blame them for missing things like that. I would have assumed back then they would just have audio only, seems like visual is a little more advanced for their time period.
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Post by j on Jun 4, 2008 19:16:05 GMT -6
Oh, so they never really explained it? But what do you mean back then? In Enterprises time period? Because they did have video and audio. Hoshi had to talk to some species on the video screen.
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Post by Spock on Jun 4, 2008 19:20:04 GMT -6
do they ever do? i don't think so. i never get in depth into that kind of stuff. I just assume its unexplainable
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 6, 2008 7:35:18 GMT -6
That was one of the things that disappointed me about "Enterprise". If it's supposed to be over a hundred years before the Original Series, I would expect their communications and sensors technology to be more crude. Okay -- all aliens no matter where they came from would probably use radio (because it's hard to imagine an easier or more obvious means of communication), but they might use different methods of modulation, or different frequency bands. Most of the species we meet on "Enterprise" have already had contact with one another (Andorans and Vulcans, for example), so it's reasonable to assume they would already have worked out some kind of protocols, which the Vulcans would surely have shared with us. But when Enterprise meets entirely new races, I would expect more problems.
This did happen in one of the early Original Series episodes. In "The Corbomite Maneuver", when they tried to hail Balok's ship, they got no reply. But a few seconds later, the navigator picked up a message coming over his navigation beam. Apparently Balok's system was using an entirely different band of frequencies. And all they could get was voice, they couldn't get video of Balok until Spock did some fancy movies with his sensor station.
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Post by j on Jun 6, 2008 15:27:48 GMT -6
Well that's cool about the TOS episode. I've heard about it, but I don't think I've ever seen it. Guess i'll have to go to cbs.com and watch it!
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Post by LeopardessGirl on Jun 21, 2008 11:20:47 GMT -6
Well Now That Is Interesting Atoz, Where I Come From We Get TV Too, As We Can Tune Into Youre Earth Digital Cable TV With One Of Our GIDIS743-Satellites. GIDIS Stands For (Global Interstellar Digital Interphase System) I Like The SciFi Chanel. Its Chanel 89 On Our Planet. I Love To Watch The Older 1960's Star Trek, Too!
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Post by LeopardessGirl on Jun 21, 2008 11:27:12 GMT -6
Haling Frequencies Can Vary From Planet To Planet, Or Ship To Ship. Our Ships Haling Frequencies Vary Depending On The Situation. If Were In Battle The Frequencies Are Cloaked/Invisible As So Only Our Ship Can Use It In Secret With Only Certain Designated Ships We Allow For Communication. No Other Ships Can Interphase With Our Frequency, During That Time. We Had War On My Planet, As I Remember Quite Well How This Worked. It Is Similar To Youre Earth Term, Radio-Silence. My Call Name On My Planet During The War Was ( Rapier 816 ) Only Certain members Of Certain Ships Knew It, As Then It Was Highly Classified, Now It Isnt.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 23, 2008 8:04:18 GMT -6
Let me get this straight -- when you're in a battle situation, you can't recieve hails from enemy ships? What if they want to surrender?
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Post by LeopardessGirl on Jun 23, 2008 13:14:47 GMT -6
In That Case We Can Scan Secretly With Our SCAN-I Devise SCAN-I Is For ( Secret Commlink Network Interphase) As We Scan The Enemy Ship And See Inside If They Are Attempting To Hail Us For Surrender Or Not. They Will Be Unaware Of It. So Yes We Can See If They Want To Surrender, As We Will Read The Message Long Before It Is Sent To Our Ship, Even If Our Commlink Is Cloaked.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 27, 2008 7:49:47 GMT -6
How can you tell if they want to surrender if they are not able to get a message through to you? I'm confused. It sounds as if you just directly scan the interior of the enemy ship. What if you can't pentrate their shields?
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 27, 2008 21:03:43 GMT -6
It seems to me that ships using hailing frequencies could chose to encrypt them when necessary for tactical situations, like in battles, or if a battle is likely, but still have other channels open if an enemy wants to surrender or negotiate some sort of settlement. I think that some races invented on their own sub space hailing technology and some acquired it from others. It does seem odd to me when encountering a new species that they can talk to each other to easily and quickly too often.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 30, 2008 8:32:44 GMT -6
Hailing frequencies by their very nature should be open to everyone and easily accessible. Now, communications between ships of the same navy ARE encrypted -- in "The Best of Both Worlds", after Riker cuts off communications with the Borg, he gives the order, "Switch to scrambler code Riker One."
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Post by THE CAKE IS A LIE! on Jun 30, 2008 8:35:58 GMT -6
Hm all very interesting points, however, enterprise decanonized almost everything
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 3, 2008 7:38:19 GMT -6
Well, not so much decanonizing, but I see what you mean. In the TOS episode "Balance of Terror", they mentioned that at the time of the Romulan War, 100 years earlier (which is still in the future from the perspective of "Enterprise"), visual communications between starships hadn't been possible. For that reason, they had no idea what Romulans looked like.
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