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Post by Spock on May 19, 2009 22:36:57 GMT -6
the whole latinum base hasn't been extended or even looked at for that matter. It would be something that would definitely benefit. I will chat with Matt and see what we can do, hopefully we can get something going soon
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Post by andrewlee on May 22, 2009 14:13:08 GMT -6
I have a few questions about the ranking system in this forum and in Star Trek as a whole. I looked it up on-line and saw over time the rank titles and insignias had changed drastically. They only use fleet captain in the later 24th century, but not commodore. Are they the same rank? Is Commodore the same as a Rear admiral and Fleet Captain just a higher ranking Captain but ranks lower than a Commodore or a vice Admiral? It's not very clear to me!
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Post by kijuro on May 23, 2009 21:31:19 GMT -6
IRL there are no more commodores, kind of. Fleet captains, who may have command of more than one ship are known as commodores. It's a position, not a rank.
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Post by Spock on May 24, 2009 3:59:19 GMT -6
yeah i think ive only seen it used once on a show, cant remember where though. Kijuro is right though, and I guess Matt thought it was resonable to use it since we use admiral ranks for the mods/admins.
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Post by andrewlee on May 24, 2009 7:52:22 GMT -6
Thanks Admiral Spock and Kijuro. I was coming to the same conclusion. You just confirmed it.
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 26, 2009 7:20:02 GMT -6
Here's a good analysis of the whole Fleet Captain thing --> ncc0242.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chit&action=display&thread=233From what I gather, in the modern navy Commodore is a temporary rank given to the captain in command of a squadron of ships put together for a specific purpose -- for example, the task force that was gathered to stop Shinzon. The captain with highest seniority (presumably Picard) would be temporarily rated as Commodore, but when the crisis was past, he would revert to Captain. Considering the long life spans we would have in the 24th century, and considering the fact that not every Captain wants to be an Admiral, I would suggest that Fleet Captain is nothing more than a mark of distinction for Captains with 20 years in service. Which would mean that Picard should be a Fleet Captain by now (unless he's finally been promoted to Admiral).
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Post by andrewlee on May 26, 2009 8:49:57 GMT -6
Atoz thanks for the detailed description of a fleet captain. I enjoyed reading the link you posted. I understand the concept of fleet captain better now. The whole thing was a bit ambiguous to me.
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Post by kijuro on May 26, 2009 8:50:26 GMT -6
Yeah, since early in TNG, Picard can be considered to be a commodore, as he is the senior captain in Starfleet, thus Fleet Captain. He was a commodore during First Contact and the Klingon Civil War.
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Post by andrewlee on May 26, 2009 11:06:32 GMT -6
Since Captain Picard was a senior captain making him a Fleet Captain/Commodore, why did they always show him as a regular captain with 4 pips? I never saw him with 5 pips or with Commodore insignia. If he did have the higher rank insignia, when and where was this specifically?
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Post by kijuro on May 26, 2009 15:09:59 GMT -6
They phased out the rank in Star Trek probably when the Navy phased it out. It's a position that's still around, but not many people know about it. That and Captain Picard sounds a bit better than Commodore Picard. If they had that then he would have been seen saddled with the responsibilities of command for other ships.
But I remember one episode saying that he was the senior captain within starfleet.
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Post by andrewlee on May 26, 2009 15:40:18 GMT -6
I do recall Captain Picard being the highest ranking captain in Star Fleet. One incident with the Borg, the Admiral's ship had been destroyed and Captain Picard took command of the fleet. I agree that Fleet Captain does sound better than Commodore!
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Post by kijuro on May 26, 2009 16:10:23 GMT -6
Besides, we all know the rule about Star Trek Commodores!
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 29, 2009 7:48:46 GMT -6
Since Captain Picard was a senior captain making him a Fleet Captain/Commodore, why did they always show him as a regular captain with 4 pips? I never saw him with 5 pips or with Commodore insignia. If he did have the higher rank insignia, when and where was this specifically? Since you probably don't get paid any more for being a Fleet Captain, Picard probably just didn't bother to change his uniform.
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Post by andrewlee on May 29, 2009 7:53:41 GMT -6
I guess the that not wearing the fleet captain pips wasn't a big deal as far as regulations go for Captain Picard.
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Post by kijuro on May 29, 2009 16:29:21 GMT -6
Really, which commander wants to be a commodore? You have so much responsibility. Captains are allowed to be autonomous. Admirals have a lot of responsibility, but their captains are usually able to act without micromanagement. A commodore would have to command a flotilla at once!
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