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Post by scully on Aug 14, 2008 12:51:15 GMT -6
The Enterprise leads a battle for peace. After years of war, the Federation and Klingon empire prepare for a peace summit. But the prospect of intergalactic glasnost with sworn enemies is an alarming one to Captain Kirk. "They're animals!" he warns. When a Klingon ship is attacked and the Enterprise is held accountable, the dogs are war are unleashed again, as both worlds brace for what may be their final, deadly encounter.
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Post by bounty on Apr 7, 2009 21:02:40 GMT -6
There's a podcast out there called "Now Playing" that started doing retrospective reviews on the previously-released 10 films. Here's their review of The Undiscovered Country. www.nowplayingpodcast.com/Podcasts/NPPST06.MP3So, what are people's thoughts about this movie? I really enjoyed this one. It's my second-favorite of the series. I liked the murder-mystery plot and thought the Klingon's were done well.
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Post by Luke on Apr 8, 2009 10:36:37 GMT -6
A klingon who believes Willm Shakespeare was a Klingon? Really?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Apr 10, 2009 8:00:00 GMT -6
I've seen "The Undiscovered Country" exactly twice. The first time I absolutely hated it. Couldn't see a single thing to like about it. I only saw it a second time because some friends of mine convinced me that it couldn't possibly be as bad as I thought it was. So I saw it again, and it was. I would only watch it a third time if I had at least level two medical restraints to prevent me from biting off my own tongue!
But don't let our reaction turn you off! Tell us more about why you liked it!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 6, 2011 7:45:00 GMT -6
This past weekend I saw "The Undiscovered Country" for the third time, and I have to say I still hated it! I counted at least TEN times when the characters casually disregarded Starfleet regulations or direct orders from Starfleet! I am sorry, but that is completely unacceptable, and inconsistent with the characters as I know them. 1. using impulse drive in the space dock 2. when Valeris reminded Kirk of the regulation, she was reprimanded and ordered to comply 3. Serving Romulan ale at a diplomatic function 4. failing to return to Starbase, falsely reporting failure of the warp drive 5. crossing into Klingon space without authorization 6. breaking Kirk and McCoy out of prison, in direct violation of both Starfleet orders AND interplanetary due process 7. Sulu leaving his patrol station to help Kirk, who had been illegally broken out of prison 8. Sulu failing to arrest Kirk, or even report his presence 9. ignoring Starfleet order to return to spacedock for decommissioning 10. when Spock said "Go to hell" he was technically guilty of Mutiny and Incitement to Mutiny. Okay, one more time I'm going to ask anyone who likes this movie to explain to me why. Or at least come up with a good explanation for why the crew of the Enterprise should not be in a penal colony for mutiny, assuming this movie actually happened. Myself, I assume that it took place in an alternate universe or something.
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Post by Luke on Jun 8, 2011 11:34:37 GMT -6
Gosh I knew they were a little casual about regs, but ten times? hey I'm with you Admiral I didn't particularly like this movie either. I'm a helmsman, and I know that I would never try to back out of spacedock at quarter speed I don't care WHO ordered me to!!!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 10, 2011 8:07:33 GMT -6
In "Search for Spock", Kirk also ordered one quarter impulse as they were leaving spacedock. But at the time I assumed he meant "AFTER we clear the doors".
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Post by Luke on Jul 6, 2011 11:38:10 GMT -6
I would hope so. You know the impulse engines of a starship can nearly get it up to 80 percent of lightspeed. Quarter speed is still someting like 20,000 km per hour! Using them to back out of spacedock is just stupid.
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Post by chilidog on Feb 13, 2012 16:30:42 GMT -6
Best Star Trek movie of all. Great story, great action, kick-*** klingons shown as the cool, calculating, intelligent beings they are. And the crew doing what they do best, doing what they think is right, saving their friends, and ultimately saving the Federation from a devastating war. It's classic trek, you even get to see Kirk's old womanizing self! Lol!
Only problem I have is the weird-*** pink klingon blood. Where did that idea come from? It certainly doesn't represent klingon blood in other shows.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 16, 2012 9:55:11 GMT -6
How could an "oxygen plant" produce enough energy to destroy a moon? I suppose it was just a code name for a secret doomsday weapon or something. But how could it make a shock wave in space? Even if it did, how could that shock wave rattle the Excelsior at that distance? Why is Valeris called "Lieutenant" when she's wearing commander's bars? How could any Klingon think William Shakespeare was a Klingon? How could two guys stroll through a Klingon ship without somebody stopping them? Why did it take Spock so long to figure out there must have been another ship that fired the torpedo?
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Post by chilidog on Feb 16, 2012 20:58:28 GMT -6
Ah you can point out logic flaws with pretty much every Star Trek episode and movie. But, cuz it's kind of fun, this is how I would rationalize those... The moon explosion - I like yours actually, the secret doomsday device, never thought of that. I always figured it was something in the moon, some type of (maybe unknown) stored up energy that the Klingons accidentally drilled into? Maybe that could explain the shock wave too - some weird sub-space energy wave. Excelsior feeling the wave - Weird energy caused weird energy wave that traveled at faster than light speeds, lol. Also who is to say that Excelsior was all that far from the Klingon home planet? Perhaps the home world is right on the border with the Federation. (Could use Enterprise to support this theory. Didn't take Archer long to get to the Klingon home world with his slower ship.) Calling Valeris "Lieutenant" - Got me there, that's weird. I don't even know if she was suppose to be a lieutenant or a commander. Either a writer or costume f***-up. One thing i've noticed from time to time in Star Trek is that the title someone is addressed as can depend on the job they are doing rather than their actual rank. But who knows. The Shakespeare Klingon - I never really thought he meant it literally, personally I thought he was joking, basically someone as clever as Shakespeare must have been a klingon. Otherwise maybe he meant the first Klingon translation, perhaps it was in an older klingon language? Another possible meaning is that there was some old Klingon poet that wrote some strikingly similar plays, maybe even the "to be or not to be" line. Or hell, Maybe Shakespeare WAS a klingon! lol Who knows how long klingons have had spaceflight ability, This klingon named Shak'spere saw earth and thought: that's where i got to be - those people appreciate a good poet! Two guys taking a leisurely stroll through a klingon ship - The explanation is that the gravity was knocked out on the ship, rendering the klingons helpless, and they had gravity boots. I agree, pretty lame explanation, you'd think that some sort of anti-grave training would be required to qualify serving on a spaceship. All I can say is that it must have been a very short walk to the Chancellor's room, and they got the drop on the klingons they did encounter. And lastly, Spock... did it take him long to figure it out? I haven't seen it in a long time I don't really remember that. From what I can remember it wasn't that that took long, it was confirming his thoughts with evidence and finding the assassins who he deduced were on board. (lol 'deduced' when do you ever get to actually use that word in a sentence?)
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Post by Luke on Feb 17, 2012 8:53:59 GMT -6
How could an "oxygen plant" produce enough energy to destroy a moon? I get the feeling I saw the same opening in anotherwar movie. Like a Russian munitions factory blowingup andthem going to war because of it. I want to say Hunt for Red Oktober but I know that's not it.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 17, 2012 10:45:03 GMT -6
Ah you can point out logic flaws with pretty much every Star Trek episode and movie. That's probably true. What I'm saying is that this movie had too many of them for my taste. The first three movies were pretty good, but even by number IV and V, I began to think that Nimoy and Shatner weren't taking it seriously anymore, and weren't even trying.The Klingons were supposedly our enemies at this time. Would they let a battleship wander very close to a major "oxygen plant"? She must have been several light-years away at the very least. Exactly my point. You'd expect Klingons especially to be ready to fight in ANY circumstances. At the very least one of them could anchor himself to something and THROW one of those knives... do something to show he's putting up a fight! It was the movie timeline that was screwed up here. Kirk and McCoy were taken all the way back to the Klingon homeworld, put on trial, convicted and sentenced. Even with the Klingon justice system, that should have taken a matter of DAYS if not weeks, right? Meanwhile the Enterprise apparently hasn't moved, because only after that do they receive orders to return to Earth (which they ignore). And THEN (while Kirk and McCoy are languishing in prison) Spock figures out that there must have been another cloaked ship!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 17, 2012 10:48:23 GMT -6
I get the feeling I saw the same opening in anotherwar movie. Like a Russian munitions factory blowingup andthem going to war because of it. I want to say Hunt for Red Oktober but I know that's not it. I don't know about a movie, but there was a very popular novel in the 80s called "The Third World War". It began with terrorists blowing up a major Russian oil pipeline, with the result that the Soviets invaded eastern Europe. I feel pretty sure that whoever wrote the screenplay for Undiscovered Country was probably thinking of this scenario.
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