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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 13, 2009 7:41:43 GMT -6
I never got the impression any Star fleet officer, except for Bajorans believed in God or gods. I don't think that Star Trek meant to give the impression that religion was extinct except for a few holdouts like the Bajorans. I personally don't believe it will happen.Now, Q is an interesting topic himself. I've never once considered Q a "god", even though he certainly has powers we would consider supernatural (in the sense that he can ignore the laws of nature at will). Because the definition of "god" includes "a being worthy of worship". I don't think Q fits that description in any way.
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 13, 2009 11:44:30 GMT -6
Atoz what made me use Q in my post was that he was refereed to as"The God of Lies" by some race. I don't remember which episode this was from or what race it was. It does make me think that Q mis-represented himself as a god to various alien races. I'm sure these peoples must have been primitive!
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Post by Luke on Jul 15, 2009 11:07:44 GMT -6
Star Trek focuses on the starship crew most of who have a scientific outlook. Dont you think a scientific outlook makes people more skeptical of supernatural in general?
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 15, 2009 12:32:19 GMT -6
Luke I think you are right about the scientific outlook and supernatural phenomena with the crews in the Star Trek series. It is possible that some people could believe in a supreme being/entity and use science to explain how things are done. It seems foolish to me to simply believe in magic!!!!!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 17, 2009 8:01:40 GMT -6
I think there's a scientific mindset and a mystical mindset, which often conflict. But they can both exist to varying degrees in the same person.
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Post by Arkroyal on Jul 20, 2009 11:49:49 GMT -6
Star Trek focuses on the starship crew most of who have a scientific outlook. Dont you think a scientific outlook makes people more skeptical of supernatural in general? In some people possibly. Personally I would probably come under what Atoz said in the last post - I'm a committed born-again Christian but I also am quite scientifically-minded at times. I believe in evolution to a degree - the finches beaks changing to their environment for instance - but not to the extent where we're all descended from monkeys and bacteria. Also, I see Starfleet as maybe being like teachers, doctors, soldiers and the like now where yes, you may be religious but there are rules and sensibilities and such like. On another note the relationships of Klingons and Kahless and the Vulcans and Surak almost strike me as being quite similar to Buddhists with Buddha? Moral teachings that have formed the basis of a culture for hundreds of years or more? (Or am I completely off the starchart here?)
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Post by kijuro on Jul 21, 2009 18:17:59 GMT -6
Oh, Atoz, I was being sincere. I liked your post.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 24, 2009 8:51:48 GMT -6
Oh, Atoz, I was being sincere. I liked your post. Thank you. I didn't mean to suggest that I thought otherwise, but I can see how you would have got that impression from what I wrote.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 24, 2009 8:58:11 GMT -6
What I'm wondering is how these apparently supernatural beings (like Ardra, Q, or the Prophets) affect the way we see the universe, if at all. Put yourself in Picard's place and ask yourself if you'd be more likely or less likely to accept Ardra as the Devil. It's interesting to think about, even if I'm not sure how I'd answer that question. As a materialist, I don't believe that either God or the Devil exist. But I might accept the possibility of an alien being who once visited Earth and was mistaken for the Devil. I don't know.
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 24, 2009 9:01:03 GMT -6
I like these last few posts as I am both spiritually and scientifically minded and see the conflicts between the 2 as mis-interpretations/mis-interpretations, feuding, and the with holding of evidences. I believe that they can be reconciled if all is presented and presented in the right way!! People who fail to do this have what I call excessive "Either or mentality".
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Post by Arkroyal on Jul 25, 2009 3:44:22 GMT -6
But I might accept the possibility of an alien being who once visited Earth and was mistaken for the Devil. I don't know. You mean like Apollo in that TOS episode?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 25, 2009 9:31:42 GMT -6
You mean like Apollo in that TOS episode? Something like that, yes.
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