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Post by kijuro on Sept 27, 2009 14:49:29 GMT -6
Oh, andrewlee, I was totally joking. I know how ranks work, but it's just funny to me.
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 27, 2009 16:04:26 GMT -6
Oh, andrewlee, I was totally joking. I know how ranks work, but it's just funny to me. I thought you might be, but wasn't going to assume you were!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Sept 28, 2009 7:24:54 GMT -6
[I hate to step "out of character", but according to the book "The Making of Star Trek", Roddenberry's original ideas was that they were all officers. That's why we didn't see enlisted rank insignia on TOS. But there has always been a certain amount of inconsistency about this. Often on TOS we met crewmen who wore those plain red jumpsuits, and they were often addressed simply by their names -- "Crewman Green" for example. Since he wasn't called "Mister Green", it's a safe bet he wasn't an officer. But I just don't know.]
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 28, 2009 8:53:35 GMT -6
Star Fleet officer seems to have a duel meaning. It refers to all Star Fleet personnel rank not meaning anything and it referees to an actual officer by rank; ensign to Admiral which does not include the enlisted ranks such as chief or crewman. Some of Star Trek does show some enlisted ranks, but most don't. The term officer is likened to officer referring to police officer regardless of their rank.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 22, 2010 9:07:00 GMT -6
I also nominate "Descent" for the Y-files. Apart from the opening sequence with Stephen Hawking, there didn't seem to be any point to it. I don't buy the idea that Data could be so easily mind controlled just by having emotions thrown at him. And the idea of taking nearly everyone off the ship to search on foot? And leaving a support officer, Dr. Crusher, in command? And she suddenly starts spitting out orders as if she'd been a command officer all her life? And where did these "transwarp conduits" come from? Don't they still need some kind of mechanism to make them work, a power supply at least? I really do hate to say it, but this episode just looked like it was thrown together at random.
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Post by andrewlee on Jan 22, 2010 19:39:43 GMT -6
I was wondering about how the Borg made the trans warp conduits....?? When they mentioned the Borg "Hugh" that the Enterprise D captured and was made to think like an individual after he was separated from the collective, something about him being re-assimilated and erasing his individuality didn't make sense. Hugh's attempted re-assimilation completely disrupted the Borg's collective on that ship. In all the other episodes with the Borg this never happens. The individual is re-assimilated and that is that no effect on the collective!
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Post by edify on Jan 23, 2010 22:40:30 GMT -6
Well, not every Star Trek cliffhanger can be "The Best of Both Worlds." Though as an episode, I do kind of like "Descent." It certainly doesn't rank among my favorites, but I still enjoyed it, nonetheless.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 4, 2010 8:36:55 GMT -6
Well, what did you like about it, then? The purpose I had in mind for the Y files is to highlight those rare episodes that don't have any redeaming value at all. What redeams it, in your mind?
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Post by edify on Feb 4, 2010 15:40:07 GMT -6
Well, what did you like about it, then? The purpose I had in mind for the Y files is to highlight those rare episodes that don't have any redeaming value at all. What redeams it, in your mind? I understand, but keep in mind I didn't bring up "Descent." I was just chiming in that I kind of liked it. Of course, just the fact alone that it's TNG redeems it in my mind, but that's really unfair, I know. I just love the crew so much that I'm willing to overlook the episodes of lesser quality. I also loved the fact that we got to see Hugh again, even if the backstory about his individuality wreaking havoc on that ship's collective didn't make sense. But one episode I would add to The Y Files (if it hasn't been already) is Voyager's episode "Resistance." I really found that episode quite boring, and as much as I love Star Trek: Voyager, the first time I watched it I actually fell asleep (which really bugged me until I could catch it again as a re-run lol).
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Post by kijuro on Feb 9, 2010 8:12:22 GMT -6
How about the one where the Enterprise comes to life, grows some weird nodule that eventually leaves and then goes back non-sentience. Did not like the episode's concept or execution.
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Post by edify on Feb 9, 2010 12:48:57 GMT -6
How about the one where the Enterprise comes to life, grows some weird nodule that eventually leaves and then goes back non-sentience. Did not like the episode's concept or execution. I believe you're referring to "Emergence," one of the final episodes of TNG. That one was okay. I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other towards it.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 11, 2010 9:19:03 GMT -6
Yes, "Emergence" -- not one of my favorites, but it was okay. I have a hard time picturing the Enterprise computer sprouting a sentient intelligence of its own, but at least the crew dealt with the crisis the way I would expect them to.
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Post by justrosy on Apr 2, 2010 2:34:58 GMT -6
aka "Code of Honor", right? Good choice. I didn't see any point in that one, myself. It's not like I think that episode fits anywhere at all in the time-line or anything, but I did find it interesting on it's own, separately. I think they weren't trying to make a specific point or anything -- just trying to have fun with exploring a new culture. Or at least encourage people to be more open to exploring actual cultures in our real lives which vary vastly from our own. Anyone who's known volunteers/missionaries who've gone to 3rd world countries knows how dangerous it is, not only because of new diseases but also because of "crazy" customs that can put one's life in jeopardy. I did find it to be a tad stereotypical though. It would have been more fun if the people on that planet had been more alien looking.
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Post by justrosy on Apr 2, 2010 2:37:58 GMT -6
[I hate to step "out of character", but according to the book "The Making of Star Trek", Roddenberry's original ideas was that they were all officers. That's why we didn't see enlisted rank insignia on TOS. But there has always been a certain amount of inconsistency about this. Often on TOS we met crewmen who wore those plain red jumpsuits, and they were often addressed simply by their names -- "Crewman Green" for example. Since he wasn't called "Mister Green", it's a safe bet he wasn't an officer. But I just don't know.] I realize this will just make me look ignorant, but I have to finally just ask it. What's the difference between an officer and a crewman? I've seen episodes like "Family" where there was a point made about "enlisted" vs. "unenlisted." Does that have anything to do with it? Is the "pay" type different?
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Post by justrosy on Apr 2, 2010 2:39:08 GMT -6
Star Fleet officer seems to have a duel meaning. It refers to all Star Fleet personnel rank not meaning anything and it referees to an actual officer by rank; ensign to Admiral which does not include the enlisted ranks such as chief or crewman. Some of Star Trek does show some enlisted ranks, but most don't. The term officer is likened to officer referring to police officer regardless of their rank. Ah. N'mind
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