Sammerio
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Post by Sammerio on Aug 20, 2009 17:57:37 GMT -6
I think that if Enterprise hadn't come 'after' all the other Treks, it wouldn't have gone over very well. Star Trek already had a huge fanbase, and I was eager to see how things were done before Kirk and the others, when humans first began to explore space. And I finally know that Starfleet came before the Federation. ;D With TOS, there weren't any limits. They beamed down to planet after planet, explored new and interesting things, and things like that. People wanted to see futuristic things, like doors opening automatically, and machines that could make food, and being able to 'magically' transport places with the flip of a switch. But in ENT they often bring up 'We can't exceed warp 5,' and other such limits that I don't think would have attracted so many people had it been first. (I'm not sure if the NCC Enterprise could go faster then warp 5 or not, but even so they didn't bring it up a lot.) Thoughts?
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Post by Spock on Aug 20, 2009 21:54:20 GMT -6
Im pretty sure that there was a big timeframe difference between the two shows.
NX-01 was commissioned in 2151 where as the NCC 1701 was in 2243 so thats about 100 years difference and a lot of technological advances can happen in that time period.
I guess what they tried to do in that show was to make it as futuristic as possible, but not to give them as much as the NCC-1701 had. I mean it makes sense that they had to press a button to open doors, like we do with elevators. But they had transporters and we don't. but they were afraid it would fry them into a million pieces.
I did some research on the replicators and they weren't invented until the 23rd century, and the TOS series im pretty sure did not have them. they had more of a waste system then a replicator, they just called it that.
Warp 5 is an amazing achievement seeing as how they were still trying to surpass warp 9.6 in Enterprise-d Era.
It seemed that they wanted to give the older fans of Star Trek something to look back upon, but it caused a lot more confusion for most. I mean most people don't want to see prequels, especially having this many different series for Star Trek, they want to see newer, faster, stronger. They tried, they did not too bad, but i think that they should of done something much newer. Since this series did not get much appraisal, they should of had second thoughts.
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Post by macawol on Aug 21, 2009 6:39:33 GMT -6
I believe it was the networks focus on pure money that blocked the success of Enterprise.
They had to great expectations to it.
And yes, it was a tough camel for some star trek fans to shallow, looking backwards, so to speak, as it is a natural part of the human nature, we tend to look forward, and so does trekkies. But I found it very refreshing to see where all this great stuff came from, and suddenly be able to have a point were you could draw a line from our time to VOY.
And I really hope we will see another show from that Era, cause in my opinion that was when the real time of adventure and discovery was.
I miss it.
And all those limits Trucker had to fight with on his engine final gave me someone to truly compare myself with.
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Post by krillmeed on Aug 23, 2009 23:29:57 GMT -6
My opinion if they had given it a little longer, it might have taken off. But i believe they pulled the plug to early
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Post by Atoz 77 on Aug 24, 2009 7:46:27 GMT -6
Looking back at the origins of the Federation would have been a great idea, but I think that too often they had things happen which contradicted what we already "knew". To take one often overlooked example, in TOS Andorians antennae were on the back of the head; in ENT they were on the front.
TOS might have had an early version of replicators. They had those computer cards they would put into a slot, and the food would come out. This implies that the computer is manufacturing it according to the coding on the card, doesn't it?
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Post by krillmeed on Aug 24, 2009 13:24:45 GMT -6
The way they ended it was i think for me one of Star Treks worse mistakes. Kind of Bobby Ewing in the shower in Dalas kind of thing. Another mistake, was have Scott Bakula as Captain, as a huuuuge Quantum leap fan, i always expected the blue light to cover him at the end of each Star Trek episode. A unknown to Scifi fans would have been better. Or even better than that, bring back Quantum leap
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Post by Spock on Aug 24, 2009 19:27:28 GMT -6
TOS might have had an early version of replicators. They had those computer cards they would put into a slot, and the food would come out. This implies that the computer is manufacturing it according to the coding on the card, doesn't it? you are right. my TOS is a little rusty at best. I always thought it was just a waste disposal, but I guess you got me there
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Post by Dataholic on Aug 25, 2009 0:23:02 GMT -6
I'm a big Quantum Leap fan myself, but I still liked him as Jonathan Archer. I really enjoy Enterprise, but I think, as Atoz mentioned, messing with canon drove a lot of fans away. Seasons 3 and 4 in particular I really enjoyed, and I'm still depressed they didn't have another season or two after that.
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Post by macawol on Aug 25, 2009 2:09:55 GMT -6
TOS might have had an early version of replicators. They had those computer cards they would put into a slot, and the food would come out. This implies that the computer is manufacturing it according to the coding on the card, doesn't it? Well, in ENT it was only protein resequencer, a Vulcan technology, and it was mealy used to produce liquids, not food, if you paid attention. Well, which today the technology used on this shows are much better than in the TOS-days, so I for one expected them to make us of that technology, which might mean breaking a few canon-rules. really Besides our own technology have surpassed TOS on some areas, so ENT was forced to follow along if it had to have a sense of realism. I have always felt the big canon-breakers was Klingons head-ridges, don't get me wrong I love Klingons, but that was a leap of faith. I didn't know Scott had experience from another show. That explains why he was good. Is an actor really labelled because he made a memorial performance in another show, mister Patrick is not just Captain Picard, he is a good Shakespeare actor, and have being in X-men. And that is my 2 cents.
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Post by andrewlee on Aug 25, 2009 12:31:49 GMT -6
There are a lot of good points being raised in the last few posts! Inspite of things considered going non-cannon in Enterprise, I still liked the show! I'm not going to let a few things that deviate from continuity to ruin everything for me, thought I notice them and ask why did they do that? It does make sense to try and improve the quality of a show with the advancement of TV/Movie making technology while still being considerate of maintaining continuity!
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Post by blueheart on Aug 25, 2009 12:32:45 GMT -6
The retro-Trek approach was something new, but one can only go so far in terms of prequels, because anything too radical would amount to messing with canon. Also, as someone pointed out, we already know the outcome so there wasn't much of excitement in anticipation. I loved Quantum Leap but I think Bakula did a commendable job as Archer. The Xindi story arc was good. The series finale was simply horrid! Towards the end of this waning series, the main reason I watched the show was because of the romance between T'pol and Trip - though the producers could've done so much more with that relationship. I'm all for a new series, but God forbid, no more prequels.
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Post by krillmeed on Aug 30, 2009 3:39:18 GMT -6
I agree with you Blue, at least in Sequels, it is much easier to make less mistakes with canon. And lets not even mention The Borg
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Post by blueheart on Aug 30, 2009 11:24:38 GMT -6
Here's an idea: how about a new series about the newer Trek generation? It could be about Naomi, Icheb, Miral, Alexander enrolling in Starfleet Academy and follows them till graduation and beyond!
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Post by andrewlee on Aug 30, 2009 12:16:00 GMT -6
Here's an idea: how about a new series about the newer Trek generation? It could be about Naomi, Icheb, Miral, Alexander enrolling in Starfleet Academy and follows them till graduation and beyond! This is one of many good ideas for another Star Trek series. As mentioned above to know the history is good, but I too notice them messing with the continuity in prequels and retro remakes, which bothers me . Don't get me wrong I did enjoy them in spite of the continuity issues. I really think that a series being set some time after "Nemesis" would be the best idea for a new Star Trek Series!!
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Sammerio
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Post by Sammerio on Aug 30, 2009 18:18:31 GMT -6
As long as a new series doesn't follow the new alternate time line. I couldn't handle that.
Don't gt me wrong, I loved the series. (I'm a person who's hard to displease on subjects I like. XD) Although after they 'fixed' the Xindi threat, I half-expected the huge tear they made in the Earth to dissapear, as what's-his-name(The guy from the future) mentioned that it shouldn't have happened.
I liked seeing the 'old aliens' though. To me, Andorians are a classic one, what with the blue skin and antennae, and was glad to see more built on them. The Ferengi one was interesting, but I thought that Picard was the one who was suppost to make first-contact with them?
I think they should have 'kept' the grappler. XD A lot of times, ships can't use their tractor beam because of interfearance or something, so why not use a back-up grappler?
Bah, last thing. I wish we saw Phlox's smile more. << >> He only did his big smiley thing three times that I recall. The first episode, 'A night in Sickbay' I think, and in one of the last episodes.
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