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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 3, 2010 7:49:46 GMT -6
Thomas Leighton, one of Kirk's old friends, suspects that a Shakespearean actor named Anton Karidian is actually Kodos the Executioner, who 20 years ago was responsible for the massacre of 4.000 people on the planet Tarsus IV. Kirk and Leighton were both present on Tarsus IV. Kirk would have been about 14 years old at the time.
There is some speculation about whether Kodos was justified in what he did on Tarsus IV. Apparently the colony's crops were attacked by a disease, and there was only enough food to go around for about half the population of 8,000. Relief supplies were on the way, but it didn't look as if they were going to arrive in time, so Kodos began executing some people so that the remainder could live. Up to this point, you could easily imagine a Vulcan making the same decision. But Kodos chose people, not on the basis of some random lottery, but on his personal feeling of who was "more valued". This was the speech he gave:
"The revolution is successful. But survival depends upon drastic measures. Your continued existence means slow death for more valued members of the colony. Therefore I have no choice but to sentence you to death. Your execution is so ordered. Signed, Kodos Governor of Tarsus IV."
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Post by Luke on Jun 9, 2010 10:26:57 GMT -6
You know I was starting to think he might have been justified too. But seeing that speech gives you the impression he wasnt the real governer. He jsut TOOK OVER by some kind of coup.
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 9, 2010 22:55:29 GMT -6
It is clear to me that Kodos chose his favorites to live. He became Anton karidian to hide from his crimes! It was very hard on his daughter when he was exposed and accidentally killed! Justice was done, but in a tragic way!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 14, 2010 7:26:44 GMT -6
Another interesting thought: Riley's family was executed by Kodos, but he survived even though he couldn't have been more than six or seven at the time. Doesn't this suggest that he was one of those chosen by Kodos? But what about Kirk? Do you think he was chosen, or was he scheduled for execution when the Earth forces arrived?
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 14, 2010 13:07:22 GMT -6
Another interesting thought: Riley's family was executed by Kodos, but he survived even though he couldn't have been more than six or seven at the time. Doesn't this suggest that he was one of those chosen by Kodos? But what about Kirk? Do you think he was chosen, or was he scheduled for execution when the Earth forces arrived? I'm not really sure about this, but many scenarios are possible! I thought Kirk was from Iowa, He must have moved there afterward or lived there before and then returned.
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Post by Luke on Jun 16, 2010 10:40:52 GMT -6
I think it makes a little sense that Kodos was picking younger people over older people to survive. So Kirk might have been one of them. I dont know.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 18, 2010 7:43:58 GMT -6
Certainly Kirk was born in Iowa, but he would have been about 14 years old here. There are any number of reasons he may have been visiting the planet temporarily.
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Post by Arkroyal on Jun 18, 2010 9:12:44 GMT -6
That's possible as no mention of his family is made in relation to the incident whereas it was mentioned that Riley's parents were murdered.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 21, 2010 7:58:58 GMT -6
And what about the technical aspects of this? Nobody can tell if Karidian and Kodos are the same person? Even a body burnt beyond recognition would leave DNA traces. What about digital comparisons of the faces?
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Post by Luke on Jun 23, 2010 11:19:14 GMT -6
The easy way would be to say they didnt have those technologies in the 60s but I know Admiral Atoz better than that. You dont want any easy answers do you? As for DNA if it was kind of revolution thing and the Terran forces had to retake the planet, they might have just assumed the body was him and not bothered to check the DNA. Thats a spretty easy assumption to make.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 25, 2010 7:44:44 GMT -6
You know me so well, lieutenant commander! I'm not the kind of person who hunts for "mistakes" in Star Trek. When I ask a question like this, I want you to stretch your imagination a bit.
The Federation is probably just as vulnerable to "politics" as anyone else. It's likely that someone in the colonization bureau wanted the incident closed as quickly as posible.
Another possible explanation is that the circumstances of his death (perhaps fighting over the colony's power station) contaminated his DNA so that a perfect match wouldn't have been possible anyway.
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Post by Luke on Jun 30, 2010 11:20:49 GMT -6
And about face matches did you ever wonder why Kodos would become an ACTOR of all things if he wanted to hide?
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Post by Arkroyal on Jul 1, 2010 18:18:30 GMT -6
Easy to hide behind a mask if you're an actor surely? And moving from place to place continually means that people don't have the time to develop a sense of recognition especially as most people would not recognise his face - in fact, only those few had seen it. How long and how much persuasion did it take for Kirk to recognise him? I've not actually seen this episode, only read about it so I'm not sure off the top of my head.
Also, he was declared dead. People don't look for dead people do they? They say "Oh, but a passing resembelance" or something akin to that.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 2, 2010 7:54:18 GMT -6
There is that. And he did refuse to see people socially, when he was off stage. I don't want to suggest that he thought he was perfectly safe playing Shakespeare because nobody watched Shakespeare in the 23rd century.
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Post by Luke on Jul 7, 2010 11:23:18 GMT -6
I was thinking of movie actors who are always having their picture taken and stuff. But you two are right. Karidian was "an unusual man" according to his daughter.
I kind of wonder if he had minor facial surgery too. You know just enough to throw off a pixel by pixel comparison of his face with an old photo.
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