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Post by Spock on Jun 5, 2010 15:30:42 GMT -6
so what do you think was the most pointless race ever created in all of Star Trek? For me, it was the J'naii. Frankly I thought the whole episode was pointless. Great to see no males or females....yeah right....If they show one hint of choosing either or, receives 'Psychotectic treatment' to remove these unwanted thoughts. No sex, the fetus is incubated in a husk because they thought it was too dangerous for one of them to carry. how silly. memory-alpha.org/wiki/J%27naiiwww.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/70625.html
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 5, 2010 18:09:47 GMT -6
I read the links and agree they are a waste of time. Was this the race that stigmatized their own if they showed male of female gender traits? I hated this stigmatising sort of non-sense!!!!
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Post by Spock on Jun 5, 2010 19:22:26 GMT -6
yeah it was anyone who showed any sign of having in their mind that they are male or female, they got the 'therapy' to make them 'well' again
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 6, 2010 0:13:22 GMT -6
yeah it was anyone who showed any sign of having in their mind that they are male or female, they got the 'therapy' to make them 'well' again I thought so!! It doesn't seem right to cure some one to make them well in the eyes of such prejudice and inflexible people. Part of who the people are that are treated is lost!...but this is my opinion!! Like I mentioned before, I hate the stigmatizer's attitude to those who do not measure up to their warped and harsh standards!! I accept the right of exercising free will to choose, but that doesn't mean I agree or respect that choice!!
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Post by Arkroyal on Jun 6, 2010 18:34:16 GMT -6
Do you reckon it's a heavy-handed metaphor for what had been called "deviant" sexual leanings such as homosexuality or bisexuality?
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 6, 2010 20:46:37 GMT -6
Do you reckon it's a heavy-handed metaphor for what had been called "deviant" sexual leanings such as homosexuality or bisexuality? I never thought of it this way! It could be.... I thought they should have been given a choice to remain male, female or androgynous/asexual, not forced to give up their gender! and unjustly stigmatized for it by an oppressive narrow minded society!
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Post by Spock on Jun 6, 2010 22:05:57 GMT -6
regardless of what the prime directive states, a society like that is bound to fall because they obviously don't know how many people could conceal their true nature. It could lead to a revolt, and possibly many deaths
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 7, 2010 7:43:06 GMT -6
This was actually one of my favorite episodes. The J'naii simply had different values. It's hard to imagine how they may have gotten that way, but once a situation developed, it's easy to see how it could be maintained. They seemed to have good success at "curing" the affliction of sexual orientation, didn't they?
As for worse species, I would nominate the Yridians. Yuck!
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 7, 2010 15:48:16 GMT -6
This was actually one of my favorite episodes. The J'naii simply had different values. It's hard to imagine how they may have gotten that way, but once a situation developed, it's easy to see how it could be maintained. They seemed to have good success at "curing" the affliction of sexual orientation, didn't they? As for worse species, I would nominate the Yridians. Yuck! I Don't agree, but well put Atoz! I do agree that the Yiridains are bad! Selling information with no thought or conscience to whom it may harm!!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 11, 2010 8:06:07 GMT -6
I thought they should have been given a choice to remain male, female or androgynous/asexual, not forced to give up their gender! and unjustly stigmatized for it by an oppressive narrow minded society! I'm just saying that I'm trying to understand both points of view. Remember the speech that Noor gave at the girl's hearing? -- "These people are sick. And sick people want to get well." The impression I got was that she seriously believed that. She wasn't trying to punish her for what she thought was "deviant behavior".
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 14, 2010 13:04:10 GMT -6
I thought they should have been given a choice to remain male, female or androgynous/asexual, not forced to give up their gender! and unjustly stigmatized for it by an oppressive narrow minded society! I'm just saying that I'm trying to understand both points of view. Remember the speech that Noor gave at the girl's hearing? -- "These people are sick. And sick people want to get well." The impression I got was that she seriously believed that. She wasn't trying to punish her for what she thought was "deviant behavior". I see what you mean. They thought they were helping from thier perspective.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 18, 2010 7:53:42 GMT -6
I might even go so far as to say that if more Christians demonstrated Noor's attitude towards homosexuals, I might take their arguments more seriously. But generally speaking, they seem to have the attitude you mentioned earlier -- they just want to unjustly stigmatize people for being different.
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Post by Arkroyal on Jun 18, 2010 9:38:35 GMT -6
Depends which one's you're looking at. I'm more like Noor than those West-thingy Baptist people. Urgh, if there's anything which makes God grief (not hate, he doesn't hate - he IS love) it's *them* with those horrible "God hates...<insert word here>" signs of theirs.
Yes, I believe the Bible which says that homosexuality is wrong BUT it is THEIR CHOICE. It does not make a person dirty or evil because nobody is inherently bad and nobody is characterised by a single choice or one aspect of their personality.
Am I coming across right? I usually avoid saying things like that because I don't know, maybe I'm not eloquent enough. I got badly shot at for expressing my opinion on a board once though actually I may have encountered someone who wasn't willing to give an ear to my own beliefs (which considering "medieval" and "fundamentalist" was thrown around may have been the case)!
Actually, I've gone off track, sorry.
Most pointless race in Star Trek? Could make a case for most undeveloped races or ones that turn up and are never mentioned again like that group of farmers on DS9 (I can't remember them ever being referenced after that episode) - I mean the Kazon just seem to be mini-Klingons, the Ocampa - how does a race *forget* they're that telepathic?
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 18, 2010 16:51:59 GMT -6
How did Christianity and homosexuality work it's way into this thread?
People should not be stigmatized for being different!! I'm not saying that the posts above don't have a point and are not well put, they do, but what does this have to do with the worst species in Star Trek?
The Nausssicans are portrayed as warrior race , but lack the sense of honer that Klingons do?
The Ferengi are greedy, exploitive and untrustworthy for the most part, but they all served a purpose in the episodes they were in, though not always as good as they could have been!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 21, 2010 7:55:21 GMT -6
Depends which one's you're looking at. I'm more like Noor than those West-thingy Baptist people. Urgh, if there's anything which makes God grief (not hate, he doesn't hate - he IS love) it's *them* with those horrible "God hates...<insert word here>" signs of theirs. Yes, I believe the Bible which says that homosexuality is wrong BUT it is THEIR CHOICE. It does not make a person dirty or evil because nobody is inherently bad and nobody is characterised by a single choice or one aspect of their personality. Am I coming across right? You are coming across just fine, as far as I'm concerned. I have a semi-personal stake in this because my niece recently got married to her partner. They live in Florida, but they had to go all the way to Connecticut to find a church that would marry them.
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