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Post by JADIS on May 29, 2011 14:44:22 GMT -6
In this episode there are two Lazarus' and in order to save the universe, Kirk had to trap them in the tween area by destroying their ship. Kirk seemed disturbed that he had to trap them for eternity knowing they'd be fighting forever...so, my question is: Why didn't he just destroy the ship while Lazarus was on the Enterprise? This would of shut the door to both universes. Am I missing something?
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 31, 2011 7:57:30 GMT -6
That's a very good question. I wasn't sure I understood the "alternate warp" as Lazarus called it, or how it functioned. Lazarus did say that he would have to hold the other Lazarus inside the corridor to prevent him from coming through too soon. That might be the reason.
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Post by Luke on Jun 2, 2011 8:39:17 GMT -6
This was kind of a confusing epi trying to keep track of which Lazarus was which. Too bad because otherwise it was a cool idea.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 6, 2011 7:50:57 GMT -6
I agree with that! One thing that might have confused you was the scene in the briefing room when Spock mentioned that Lazarus seemed like two different people -- one minute rational, the next minute a little obsessed. If you were really paying attention, neither Spock nor Kirk ever gets the chance to meet the sane Lazarus (that is, until Kirk crosses the corridor and meets him in the alternate universe). So what happened?
In James Blish's adaptation, during the brief appearance of the sane Lazarus in the recreation room, Spock does briefly talk to him. This would be just before Lazarus overhears Lt. Masters talking to her assistant about the dilithium crystals. James Blish worked from the shooting scripts, so apparently that part was cut out of the televised version.
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Post by Luke on Jun 8, 2011 11:31:51 GMT -6
McCoy supposedly got to talk to him, but it was off camera. Come to think of it, the only time we saw the sane one was when he stole the crystsls, right?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 10, 2011 8:05:57 GMT -6
That's right. He was in the rec room and overheard Masters talking. Then the obsessed Lazarus took over. Later he returned to knock out Masters and take the crystals. Those are really the only two times the sane Lazarus was seen until Kirk found him in the alternate universe.
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Post by Luke on Jul 6, 2011 11:39:58 GMT -6
Makes you wonder if his talk about being a time traveler was worth anything too.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 8, 2011 7:31:00 GMT -6
The planet he said he lived on was barren, so you have to wonder what happened to the ruins. But how could Lazarus have wiped out an entire civilization? More than likely it was another of his delusions.
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Post by Luke on Jul 9, 2011 7:58:31 GMT -6
Or maybe the corridor kind of did a backlash thing and destroyed them. You think?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 11, 2011 7:31:56 GMT -6
You mean the "winking out" effect that Spock mentioned? If the corridor was centered on that planet, it's certainly possible.
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Post by tracytrek on May 18, 2015 15:05:46 GMT -6
If I recall, the sane Lazarus was from the alternate universe, the insane one was from "this" universe.
You know, the actor that played Lazarus (Robert Brown) was one of 4 people who guest starred on Star Trek and was also in the western comedy series "Here Come the Brides". Brown played Jason Bolt in that series. David Soul played one of his brothers Joshua and also played one of the natives of Vaal's planet in the Trek episode "The Apple". Mark Lenard played Sarek in Trek and a character named Aaron Stemple in Brides. And finally the actress that played Spock's mother Amanda in Trek had a one time guest star role in Brides.
There is an original series novel called Ishmael that is a crossover between the 2 TV series. In it Spock goes back in time. He ends up in the "Here Come the Brides" time period which is frontier era (post civil war 1860's) Seattle. He ends up having to pose as Stemple's nephew. And he also figures out that his human mother Amanda is a descendant of Stemple and the woman he eventually marries. Because he sees a much newer version of his mother's family heirloom necklace being worn by Stemple's fiancé.
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 20, 2015 7:54:43 GMT -6
I do remember that series, "Here Come the Brides", but I had no idea there was a "crossover" novel. That's... strange. Yeah, that's about the only word that comes to mind right now.
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Post by tracytrek on May 21, 2015 9:27:43 GMT -6
In the Wikipedia article I read about the novel, it is said that the author worked in references to other western shows of the day and maybe some other sci-fi works. One that I'm sure I caught was as follows: Spock, posing as Ishmael (Stemple's nephew) accompanies the 3 Bolt brothers to San Francisco. There is a mention of them meeting a handsome young man and his ox-like older brother. Leaving the reader to assume I guess that it's Little Joe and Hoss Cartwright. Yeah, it's strange I guess, but I like strange sometimes.
Edit: I almost forgot, Majel Barret played a kind hearted prostitute in an episode of Here Come the Brides.
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