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Post by andrewlee on Sept 19, 2008 15:56:02 GMT -6
In this episode, Voyager encounters an alien vessel that has been damaged. They transport them off the damaged ship to find out that 8 of the 11 people are criminals on their way back to be executed for murder. There are alot of moral issues that are discussed about crime and punishment. Some of these issues have been discussed on the thread "humanism" One of the criminals is beat up by the alien guards on Voyager and had severe head trauma. The Doc used some of 7 of 9's nano probes to repair the mans's brain damage. It had a side effect of healing the mans brain to be normal and not a psychopath any more. He for the first time felt remorse for what he had done. More on this later.
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 21, 2008 10:28:15 GMT -6
7 of 9 identified with the prisoner who had developed a conscience over being a murderer because when she was a drone in the Borg collective, she did the same things and felt very giulty about them.
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Post by amebruz on Sept 21, 2008 14:55:00 GMT -6
seven of 9 had a hard work with her emotions
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 21, 2008 17:13:08 GMT -6
Emotions and discovering her humanity were always a struggle for 7 of 9 , but she did make a lot of progress in the long run. Identifying with the murderer who had gotten a conscience was a big part of that journey of self discovery and reflection of her past.
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Post by amebruz on Sept 21, 2008 17:51:57 GMT -6
poor seven, she was assimilated too early. however I don't remember what the criminals did.
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 21, 2008 18:24:53 GMT -6
The criminals were all murders, many of which were repeat offenders on their way to be executed for their crimes.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Sept 22, 2008 8:02:58 GMT -6
I don't recall the episode, but here's a question for you -- if the guy's memory of his crimes had been erased, and the psychopathology that caused them was cured, do you think he should still do time for the crimes? In other words, is he still guilty of them?
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 22, 2008 9:30:09 GMT -6
Atoz. In my opinion he is still guilty, but because of these mitigating circumstances, his punishment should be lighter. I can't get any more specific than that because each case is different and has it's specifics to it. The criminal who had his brain healed and made normal by 7 of 9's nano probes did remember his crimes and for the first time felt remorse for them. He appealed to the family of the victim. They rejected his plea and was executed anyway. I was unhappy with this situation and thought he should have had a lighter punishment because of the circumstances, and who he had become!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Sept 26, 2008 8:07:45 GMT -6
That would be a tough call. But you have to think seriously about WHY we punish people for crimes. Is it retribution on behalf of their victims, or is it more about modifying their behavior?
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Post by andrewlee on Sept 26, 2008 12:51:02 GMT -6
Atoz, I think it is about both punishment and rehabilitation. Criminals do need to be held accountable for their actions! With no accountability for crimes committed, there would be a lot of chaos. We have discussed things like this in the humanism thread.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Oct 3, 2008 7:49:45 GMT -6
No need to rehash that argument here, then. I'm not so familiar with Seven of Nine or with why she would feel any guilt for having been a Borg (the few episodes I've seen of VOY, she brags about how much more organized a Borg collective is). But there was, I think, a similar situation on Stargate. Teal'c used to be First Prime of Apophis, meaning that he enforced the arbitrary edicts of the evil Goa'uld. When he rebelled against them, he had to come to terms with the things he did earlier.
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Post by mgomez on Apr 26, 2009 13:33:59 GMT -6
It was a neat episode. Him feeling guilty for the first time about things he had done. I wish that the family would have had mercy and NOT killed him, at least put him in jail for life or something to the extent, because he then knew what he did. It also shows us how people can blame other people for things/crimes just because of race, or country of origin. Seven also had leaned guilt and empathy.
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Post by andrewlee on May 6, 2009 21:41:58 GMT -6
This episode did have a lot of moral and ethical issues in it concerning crime, punishment, victims, and their families.
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Post by shakfar on May 12, 2009 18:10:26 GMT -6
I don't recall the episode, but here's a question for you -- if the guy's memory of his crimes had been erased, and the psychopathology that caused them was cured, do you think he should still do time for the crimes? In other words, is he still guilty of them? personally i dont think that he should haft to be punished for this
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Post by andrewlee on May 12, 2009 19:28:23 GMT -6
These last 2 posts raise a lot of issues/questions about mental illness and crime and punishment!!
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