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Post by devilsatdusk on Dec 25, 2009 13:25:20 GMT -6
Hi. First of all... Merry Christmas to all Trekkies and Trekkers (whatever the hell they are). My parents bought me the DVD as a xmas gift. WOW! I loved the first 10/15minutes. It kind of got to me that George Kirk sacrificed himself, and when he heard his newborn son crying over the communications channel. (But, i just love stuff like that) I was totally surprised that Vulcan was destroyed. I spent most of the film with my mouth gaped open. How great was Karl Urban as Bones? I thought he was brilliant. I also liked Anton Yelchin's portrayal of Chekov. Although, something i couldn't get my head around was... were Spock and Uhura in a relationship? I thought that Spock decided to be more vulcan rather than express human emotion? Also, was it set in an alternative universe or an alternate timeline? Obviously... in the Star Trek we know Vulcan isn't destroyed. Brilliant film... still doesn't beat Wrath of Khan for me though D@D (I would have put everything in different threads... I couldn't be @r$ed... Sorry) MERRY CHRISTMAS
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Post by devilsatdusk on Dec 25, 2009 16:17:45 GMT -6
Also ... Chris Pine *wolfwhistles*
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Post by Arkroyal on Dec 27, 2009 12:12:55 GMT -6
I think it's an alternate universe...sort of...they come to the same thing eventually don't they?
Also, Chris Pine...concur. And Zachary Quinto and Anton Yelchin and Karl Urban...oh hell, all of them. God, even Pike was pretty good looking!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 28, 2009 8:46:12 GMT -6
Obviously it was a completely alternate universe, since the Kirk I know wasn't the obnoxious jerk portrayed in the first few scenes, the Spock I know was definitely not in a "relationship" with Uhura, the Starfleet I know isn't in the habit of promoting Cadets straight to captain, and so on. But if you liked it, that's okay with me.
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Post by devilsatdusk on Dec 28, 2009 12:45:28 GMT -6
I agree. I could start nit-picking at the film IF i wanted to (James Kirk had a brother. Jim served aboard the USS Farragut as Lt. Kirk.) Also, i thought that Spock didn't embrace his human emotions and definitely did not have a relationship with Uhura.
Why didn't Nero prevent Romulus being destroyed himself instead of going back into the past and destroying Vulan?!
My biggest question... why didn't JJ Abrams make a film set in the normal Trek Universe and not in an alternate universe?
(****... i said i wasn't gonna nit-pick!!!)
Arkroyal... somehow Chris Pike was a bit of a looker wasn't he? And i agree with Zachary Quinto, Anton Yelchin, Karl Urban...
Although Uhura struck me as being a bit of a... i dunno if i can say it... slapper?
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Post by andrewlee on Dec 28, 2009 13:14:15 GMT -6
I had mixed feelings about the new movie, mostly negative. I think having something is better than nothing. what I didn't like about it was the lack of continuity and what Atoz mentioned. I think they could have maintained the continuity, but used the more advanced special effects and CGI to make a movie much better movie!!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 30, 2009 9:40:45 GMT -6
My biggest question... why didn't JJ Abrams make a film set in the normal Trek Universe and not in an alternate universe? This is expecially puzzling since the script writers were both Trekkies, and they could have corrected all these continuity problems easily if he had let them! I read an interview in which Abrams said that he has never been a Star Trek fan. He claimed that it "promised more adventure than it could deliver", whatever that means. Basically he wanted to make a Star Trek movie that HE would watch, not being a Star Trek fan! The bigger mystery is why Paramount Pictures just turned the reins over to him, when he stated all this up front! Obviously Paramount doesn't care as long as they rake in money.
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Post by andrewlee on Dec 30, 2009 11:48:19 GMT -6
My biggest question... why didn't JJ Abrams make a film set in the normal Trek Universe and not in an alternate universe? This is expecially puzzling since the script writers were both Trekkies, and they could have corrected all these continuity problems easily if he had let them! I read an interview in which Abrams said that he has never been a Star Trek fan. He claimed that it "promised more adventure than it could deliver", whatever that means. Basically he wanted to make a Star Trek movie that HE would watch, not being a Star Trek fan! The bigger mystery is why Paramount Pictures just turned the reins over to him, when he stated all this up front! Obviously Paramount doesn't care as long as they rake in money. I didn't know this!! It does make sense in this day and age to want to make $$$ at the expense of everyone else!....Not a good thing!!!!!
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Post by edify on Dec 31, 2009 1:34:03 GMT -6
Obviously it was a completely alternate universe, since the Kirk I know wasn't the obnoxious jerk portrayed in the first few scenes, the Spock I know was definitely not in a "relationship" with Uhura, the Starfleet I know isn't in the habit of promoting Cadets straight to captain, and so on. But if you liked it, that's okay with me. It wasn't a completely alternate universe; it was still the Star Trek universe we knew. Spock explained it all, that Nero being there caused the prime universe to diverge and create a path in which no one could predict what would happen. If Nero hadn't shown up, Kirk would have been born in Iowa with both parents alive. Not having his biological father growing up (and having to put up with his stepfather who was, apparently, a jerk -- though understandably upset when Kirk stole his car) obviously had adverse effects on Jim which caused him to completely rebel. Nero's arrival also caused other things to happen as they didn't originally. That's part of the unpredictability of time travel. This is still the Star Trek we know and I thank the producers for rebooting Star Trek the Star Trek way rather than a cold reboot of the series. At least rebooting it the way they did, they didn't invalidate the last forty-plus years of Star Trek history. But now we're in the same universe, albeit with a few major changes, and anything can happen again.
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Post by Spock on Jan 1, 2010 0:15:13 GMT -6
good old temporal prime directive...too bad the romulans don't know what that is
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Post by edify on Jan 1, 2010 0:18:37 GMT -6
Don't they? lol I thought the temporal prime directive was decided on by most, if not all, of the major political parties of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. I think Nero was just too blinded by rage to really care about it.
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Post by andrewlee on Jan 1, 2010 2:21:22 GMT -6
Don't they? lol I thought the temporal prime directive was decided on by most, if not all, of the major political parties of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. I think Nero was just too blinded by rage to really care about it. I was under the impression the temporal prime directive was a Federation law. Nero went mad because of the loss of his family when Romulus was destroyed by the supernova.
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Post by edify on Jan 1, 2010 2:50:32 GMT -6
I just figured Nero went mad and thought "to Hell (or whatever the Romulan equivalent would be) with the Temporal Prime Directive" and went back to destroy Vulcan. But I'm not sure. I always figured it was mutually agreed upon by the major powers of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants because it would be devastating to do battle through time, since one power could theoretically develop time travel then go back to a time when another power was less advanced and conquer them.
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Post by andrewlee on Jan 1, 2010 20:01:17 GMT -6
I just figured Nero went mad and thought "to Hell (or whatever the Romulan equivalent would be) with the Temporal Prime Directive" and went back to destroy Vulcan. But I'm not sure. I always figured it was mutually agreed upon by the major powers of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants because it would be devastating to do battle through time, since one power could theoretically develop time travel then go back to a time when another power was less advanced and conquer them. I'm not sure of the exact answer to this, but I would look on memory alpha and beta to see if they have anything to say about this.
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Post by edify on Jan 1, 2010 21:45:02 GMT -6
According to Memory Alpha, the Temporal Prime Directive was a Federation policy, an extention of the Prime Directive itself. There's no mention of any other powers recognizing it, so I stand corrected.
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