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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 18, 2007 8:16:49 GMT -6
"Distant Origin" -- In this episode, Voyager met up with a reptilian civilization called the Voth, who were much more techologically advanced that the Federation. They turned out to be from Earth, and descended from the Hadrosaurus, a bird-like dinosaur. Somehow, they had evolved into an intelligent species, invented space vessels and left the Earth just before the meteor wiped out the dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous Period, 65 million years ago! And somehow they had ended up in the Delta Quadrant. Even though some of the details in this scenario give me the heebie-jeebies, I have to admit that the idea of dinosaurs evolving a Warp travel level civilization is intriguing.
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Post by cmiles8 on Jul 21, 2007 10:46:56 GMT -6
Definitely a unique episode. I enjoyed watching it. Though I would have liked to see the prime minister gal repent and agree to look into the matter rather than keep her snooty attitude.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 27, 2007 7:45:30 GMT -6
It's hard to imagine an entire civilization evolving to the point of building spaceships without leaving any trace in the fossil record. And once they left Earth, why couldn't they have settled one of the many planets nearby? Why go all the way to the Delta Quadrant?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Aug 15, 2007 7:44:07 GMT -6
There was also a little hint of Dogmatism about the episode -- the Voth were somewhat prejudiced against mammals, and absolutely refused to believe that they could in any way be related to humans. One of their scientists abducted Chakotay in order to do some genetic tests (as far as he was concerned, it was like briefly capturing an animal and then releasing it). He was astonished to discover the genetic markers in Chakotay's DNA which proved that humans and Voth both came from the same planet. But the leaders of his species wouldn't even look at the evidence. The scientist was ultimately required to recant his beliefs, and Voyager was rather rudely told to get lost.
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 22, 2008 16:35:31 GMT -6
I agree with Cap Atoz77 in much of what he said about the episode "Distant origins" The story was intriguing, but the ending was a bit disappointing to me. I would have like to have seen the Voth embrace their true origins and distant human cousins! I think the Voth when they left earth removed all evidence that they were there. and after more than 65 million years it would be difficult to find such evidence if it were left or missed during a possible removal. There are many possibilities!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 23, 2008 8:23:05 GMT -6
I'm just saying if they had an industrialized civilization capable of building spaceships, it would be hard to wipe out all traces completely (unless they did it deliberately). That kind of strains credulity. But part of the game is to think up a plausible scenario. Hmmm... that'll take some doing...
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 23, 2008 13:51:46 GMT -6
I'm with Atoz on this one. I am sure we can come up with explanation. It could be that the Voth lived in the area where the asteroid struck 65 million years ago ( The Yucatan peninsula) and destroyed. The evidence of the Voth could have been destroyed by volcanic activity or sub-ducted under another tectonic plated by plate tectonics.....that is what traces of their presence were not removed. Her is another idea....suppose that some evidence has been found and is being kept hidden from the public.
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 27, 2008 18:06:48 GMT -6
Earlier today, I watched and recorded "Distant origins" off of Spike TV. Other than the comments I made in my last post, I thought it was interesting about the genetic markers found in the Voth, humans, and other earth life forms that matched each other. What I also liked was the holodeck scene when they were looking at the common ancestor of the Voth and Humans, which live about 400,000,000 years ago. It blows my mind that the Voth who are so much more advanced in technology and were a species long before humans were, could be so closed minded even face with irrefutable evidence.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 3, 2008 7:48:44 GMT -6
If you'll excuse me for saying so (I don't know what your religious beliefs are and I certainly don't want to start an argument), that might have been a not-so-subtle reference to young-Earth Creationists.
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 3, 2008 19:25:31 GMT -6
Atoz Its OK, I am not a young earth creationist ,who believe in whats called "static creationism" Which means according to them God made every thing including plants, animals, people ,the universe that does not change or evolve into something else. There is no scientific evidence to support this view. In fact this old view that many more had in the past, can easily be disproved. I do believe in God though, but am not mainstream in my beliefs. Its very complicated to explain. star trek is entertainment as with any sci-fi or fiction. It is an idea of what the future could be like if man kind does not destroy itself. Atoz you can PM/email me if you want about this. I don't know what your spiritual/religious beliefs are....am curious though.
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 4, 2008 10:37:54 GMT -6
I just want to say that in my last post above that...I went off on a tangent like I do sometimes. I apologies if I offended anyone! I respect the right for anyone to believe what they want, even if my beliefs are different!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 7, 2008 8:10:13 GMT -6
No problem. The point is that from the writer's point of view perhaps, young-Earth creationists also ignore all the scientific evidence that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. That was really all I meant.
I find it hard to believe the staggering coincidence that the asteriod just happened to crash right smack into their city. But what if they arranged it that way...? What if they were ready to leave Earth, and didn't want any trace left of them...?
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 7, 2008 10:22:42 GMT -6
Atoz. this is a good point. I had thought of this before. If the saurian race knew long in advance that the asteroid was going to hit a specific place at a specific time, it would be a near perfect way to remove evidence that they were there. Glad you agree about young earth creationists. They just won't see the evidence before them. they have the misconception that if the abandon the young earth creationist theory, they have to abandon their faith. This is not so!!!! They just need to re-evaluate their interpretations. A simple solution!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 11, 2008 8:02:19 GMT -6
It's also kind of ironic since young Earth creationists used to deny that dinosaurs existed!
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Post by andrewlee on Jul 11, 2008 9:31:45 GMT -6
Atoz. Young earth creationists are in denial of a lot of things taking things to literally.....seeing and hearing selectively only what they want that keeps them ignorant of irrefutable evidence. If they would look at the evidence objectivly.....they could re evaluate their interpretations, but could keep their faith.....in other words the situation need not be an either/ or, or a false dichotomy.
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