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Post by Baggy52 on Sept 18, 2007 16:59:34 GMT -6
Well I want to say that in the original T'pol was T'pel the futer leader of vulcan and they axed it because it would make to many technicalities... oh well...
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Post by Atoz 77 on Sept 19, 2007 7:53:09 GMT -6
In "the original"? Wha' in the' name o' Davey Jones are ye babblin' of, man? Ha' ye been standin' in the sun too long?
[Please excuse the slang. Today is Sept. 19th, International Talk Like a Pirate Day.]
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Post by Baggy52 on Sept 30, 2007 17:13:39 GMT -6
Okay I might have gotten the names wrong, but in the orignal there was a older vulcan woman (cant remember name) t'pal was originally going to be a younger version of that woman, but they cut it out.
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Post by Baggy52 on Sept 30, 2007 17:15:24 GMT -6
OH, and before I forget, Enterprise is on Sci-Fi monday nights 7pm EST and their just starting the third season tomorrow. I personally think that things start to pick up in the third season, and this season is my favorite by far.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Oct 1, 2007 8:08:13 GMT -6
Okay I might have gotten the names wrong, but in the orignal there was a older vulcan woman (cant remember name) t'pal was originally going to be a younger version of that woman, but they cut it out. You mean T'pau, the woman who presided over Spock's "koon-at-kalifey" ceremony? Didn't we see her at a young woman in one of the time-travel episodes of Enterprise?
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Post by Baggy52 on Oct 1, 2007 13:41:58 GMT -6
AGHHH!!! I'M NOT SURE ANYMORE!
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Post by rhondajo on Oct 24, 2007 18:04:38 GMT -6
I was also slow to like enterprise, the book "Broken Bow" turned it around. It was way better than the episode, as was the book "The Expanse". Now I watch it a lot!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Oct 26, 2007 8:08:49 GMT -6
Novelizations are almost always better, because they can take time to expand on things (and explain away those picky little mistakes). I let the whole series go by on the Sci-fi channel without paying too much attention, until I saw the next-to-the-last episode, "Terra Prime". That was so good, I started watching more closely when the Sci-fi channel started it over.
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Post by rhondajo on Oct 27, 2007 7:10:26 GMT -6
Novelizations are the reason i own so many star trek series on dvd
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Post by Baggy52 on Oct 29, 2007 14:58:18 GMT -6
Hmmm, it is the other way around for me...
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 7, 2007 8:56:06 GMT -6
My respect for Archer (or maybe just for the writers of Enterprise) has just taken a nose-dive as a result of two episodes I saw this past Monday night. In the first, they came across a crashed insectoid Xindi spaceship, with a hatchery full of eggs on board. Archer did his best to save them, which on the face of it was the ethical thing to do -- but then it turned out that he had been bitten by one of the hatchlings and only made that decision because he had been deluded by some kind of chemical.
In the second episode, Degra (having a change of heart about launching the Xindi weapon) sent Archer a covert message asking to meet him 4 light-years away. But the Enterprise had been severely damaged in a previous Xindi attack, and had lost her warp coil. Faced with the prospect of missing the meeting, Archer decided to attack an innocent exploration ship and steal its warp coil (stranding them in the middle of the Expanse, by the way). Even though T'pol reminded Archer of his own words ("We can't save Humanity by losing sight of what makes us Human"), he rationalized the decision by claiming he was saving billions of people. I guess you could say that Archer was under a lot of stress and wasn't thinking clearly (he had just been tortured after all), but that isn't a good enough excuse, in my opinion.
Star Trek has always had a reputation for taking morality and ethics very seriously, but these two episodes just seemed to be using them purely for melodramatic effect, which really bothers me. The first one actually seemed to be making fun of it, by reducing Archer's ethical decision to a mere chemical reaction.
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Post by rhondajo on Nov 7, 2007 10:28:20 GMT -6
It was a grittier time.Those choices were disturbing, but I think that was the point. Put yourself in Archer's place. He is a good man, an honorable one and the Xindii crisis put him all kinds of horrible positions. I found it realistic that he changed so much after an attack of that magnitude. If you were in the position as being the only ONE who could save your entire world and everything sacred, you would have to change too, you would have to choose the lesser of two evils, sometimes the only choice worth making is "the devil you know"
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Post by Baggy52 on Nov 7, 2007 14:53:58 GMT -6
Well, in the second episode, having to attack another ship, the ethics are broken, possibly to break the chain. I mean in every series they have always followed the Prime Directive, always goody-goody, I liked the fact that he put his morals aside to get the job done, as this rarely occurs in Star Trek.
As for the first episode, I thought it was, well, meh...
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 9, 2007 8:51:09 GMT -6
It had nothing to do with the Prime Directive, or with being "goody-goody". It was a simple matter of stealing from a peaceful group of explorers, crippling their ship in the process, and in the Expanse, which they knew was a dangerous place! Granted he was under stress, and he had just been tortured by the Xindi, but T'pol recognized that it was the wrong thing to do, and she was also under a lot of stress.
I don't think his decision was justified. After all, Degra knew the Enterprise had been attacked, his sensors certainly could have picked up the Enterprise if she were just a little bit away from their rendezvous. If he was serious about wanting to get information to Archer, he could have still found him.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 9, 2007 8:51:52 GMT -6
But it's good to disagree. It gives us something to talk about!
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