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Post by Baggy52 on Nov 9, 2007 15:46:47 GMT -6
HEHEHE!
Yes, but I do beleive they return it later, I don't know, I don't remember.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 13, 2007 9:05:13 GMT -6
In this instance, Archer wasn't treating those aliens as if they were people with rights of their own -- he was treating them as a means to an end. They had something he needed, and that was all. Morality has to be more than something we do when we're safe and comfortable and we can afford to be generous. It was to be something we do all the time or it's not worth bothering with. We might as well become pirates, like the aliens who attacked the Enterprise when they first entered the Expanse.
But I can see what you mean. I suppose I can forgive him for one mistake. Are you sure those aliens survived and got their warp coil back?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 13, 2007 9:08:43 GMT -6
Last night, I saw an episode "E2" where they met an Enterprise which had accidentally gone back in time 115 years. The crew their children and grandchildren. What did you think of that one?
I personally thought the idea was a little shaky (I mean, if they've been flying around in the Expanse for 115 years, just waiting for this exact period in history to come around again, why not contact Archer as soon as he arrived in the Expanse?), but I admit it was intriguing.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 14, 2007 8:39:04 GMT -6
How would you feel, meeting someone twice as old as you, who claimed to be your son? How about T'pol's case, meeting herself a hundred years older? I think I would have a hard time rationalizing it. Even if Phlox ran all his tests and said that was the case, to me it would just be a stranger who happened to have the same DNA that I did. It wouldn't be a matter of disputing his findings. It would be more like -- that may be the son of someone genetically identical to me, but it's not MY son.
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Post by Baggy52 on Nov 14, 2007 15:01:39 GMT -6
Off topic, Isn't the name "Random Thoughts" the name of a VOY episode where Belanna is imprisoned on a world of telepaths for having violent thoughts?
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Post by Atoz 77 on Nov 27, 2007 8:26:00 GMT -6
"Borderlands" This episode introduced a character named Dr. Soong, played by Brent Spiner. The thing is, he's a mad scientist experimenting with genetic engineering, and stealing embryos left over from the Eugenics Wars. This doesn't jibe with what we've seen of Dr. Soong in the past, plus it makes him extremely long-lived, to have lived all the way to the Next Generation. Could this Dr. Soong be Data's GRANDfather?
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Post by Baggy52 on Nov 29, 2007 20:35:34 GMT -6
It says it is... I don't want to ruin the story, but at the end of the "Augments" story arch Soog utters words to the effect of "humans are too erratic, i should try artificial life..."
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 15, 2008 9:13:40 GMT -6
Sorry, I just posted something in the wrong place. I've now moved it.
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Post by Baggy52 on Jan 29, 2008 15:21:40 GMT -6
oh...
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 22, 2008 19:53:58 GMT -6
The 3 part episodes about the augments were very interesting to me. Its too bad they were evil in nature. Dr Soongs name in this episode was Adrik...I believe. The Dr Soong in the 24th century was named Noonien. They are a few generations apart. At the end of the augments episode, in prison, Adrik soong said something about artificial intelligence taking a few generations to perfect. The result was 200 years later in the creation of Lore, Data, and Noonien Soongs android wife after she left him and I think died. I don't remember for sure right now.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jun 23, 2008 7:57:39 GMT -6
You know what they say -- superior ability breeds superior ambition. They were so much as evil as they were imbued with the belief that their superior abilities automatically made them rulers.
Now that you mention it, I do recall that someone called Soong "Adrik" at one time. I had thought it was a mistake, but I guess it just means he was Data's great-grandfather.
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Post by andrewlee on Jun 23, 2008 18:45:57 GMT -6
Augments being superior to ordinary humans.....it does make sense that superior ability breeds superior ambition. Its too bad that the augments darker sides were enhanced and not their good sides like Dr Bashir from DS9. Some one quoted about Dr Bashir "For every Julian Bashir, there is a khan sihng waiting in the wings" I am not sure which character said this or if the quote was exact though. I did like the scene where 2 human augments took out a whole Klingon bird of pray crew.
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Post by shakfar on Apr 27, 2009 19:51:12 GMT -6
I've recently begun watching Enterprise from the beginning of the series, and my feelings about it are changing. I'm now approaching the middle of season 3. Maybe I'm just a Star Trek fanboy (ok, I definitely am), but I like Enterprise. I'm not quite as hardcore as some people when it comes to canon, so if something doesn't quite match, I'm not all that bothered by it. I wish more people would have given the show a chance. Even though a lot of people don't like the Enterprise intro, I think it's my favorite one of all the series. I like how the characters are more like present day humans. A little rough around the edges. The show is a lot different from the other series, but I don't like to compare it to the others. Hopefully with time people realize this show isn't really all that bad, but I doubt that will happen. Rick Berman & Brannon Braga might have really screwed up with Nemesis (even though, for the most part, I like that movie too), but I don't think they did too bad of a job with Enterprise. People just weren't ready for a Star Trek series to be that much different from the rest. when they restarted the series of sci-fi they started at episode 32 or somthing like that and archer was just putting together his crew so this made no sence to me
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Post by andrewlee on May 7, 2009 15:16:23 GMT -6
It is a lot more difficult to figure out what is going on to start watching a series in the middle of the sequence. This happened with me watching Star-Gate SG1.
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Post by andrewlee on Aug 6, 2009 8:02:44 GMT -6
They are showing Enterprise in the early afternoons just before Star Gate Atlantis and Star Gate SG1. When they changed the times for each of these shows to be on the started at the beginning though not all started at the same week.
Enterprise was restarted with the Pilot less than 2 weeks ago. They showed the one with them landing the shuttle pod on the comet and the Vulcan's had to use their tractor beam to get them out. I'm not remembering the name of the episode right now.
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