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Post by Atoz 77 on Mar 1, 2010 11:36:23 GMT -6
But Wesley wasn't promoted straight to Captain, was he?
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Post by PIKE on Mar 1, 2010 14:05:48 GMT -6
Star Strek atleast tries to Use lossely Science as the basis for it technology, and tried keep to a code of military conduct, however loosely it was. This film seems more about lets get something flashy and cool on the screen forgeting the story of Star Trek, in order to commercialize it for the new fans. To each there own, this movie was not for me.
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Post by edify on Mar 1, 2010 21:45:51 GMT -6
But Wesley wasn't promoted straight to Captain, was he? No he wasn't, but he was given a field rank and then promoted to full Ensign without even going through the academy. If I save a police officer's life, they're not going to make me a police officer. I would still have to go through the academy. Star Strek atleast tries to Use lossely Science as the basis for it technology, and tried keep to a code of military conduct, however loosely it was. This film seems more about lets get something flashy and cool on the screen forgeting the story of Star Trek, in order to commercialize it for the new fans. To each there own, this movie was not for me. But that's not true at all. You keep saying everything was "loose." If it was real life, then these things would not be loose at all, and Kirk would have lost his command many times over. Transporter technology is impossible, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Star Trek knows this and embraces it, which is the basis behind its Heisenberg Compensators for the transporters (and my personal favorite in-joke). There's no more bending of the rules or "breaking the laws of physics" than in the shows we've all grown up with. We saw sacrifice, such as the case of Kirk's father saving his mother and child, not to mention the entire crew (sans the captain) of the Kelvan by giving his life. Is that not a Star Trek sacrifice? We saw a barroom brawl. Did not the crew of the original Starship Enterprise brawl on Deep Space Station K-7 in "The Trouble With Tribbles"? We saw the human condition being explored. Spock, himself, talked about destiny and how it was Kirk's destiny to lead the crew of the Enterprise. Is that not a Star Trek philosophy? What about the new movie wasn't Star Trek? The layout of the ship? The fact that Pine's Kirk was different than Shatner's Kirk? Seriously? Aren't there more important things the film gave us that were Star Trek than things that weren't?
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Post by PIKE on Mar 3, 2010 20:20:30 GMT -6
Aren't there more important things the film gave us that were Star Trek than things that weren't?
Good question, Most people here have said , It's better than not having Star Trek at all on the screen. I guess, The movie wasn't for me, But I can say that about other Star Trek movies also.
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Post by macawol on Mar 4, 2010 5:32:23 GMT -6
And Pine had his own hair for goddess sake.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Mar 5, 2010 8:22:51 GMT -6
No he wasn't, but he [Wesley] was given a field rank and then promoted to full Ensign without even going through the academy. If I save a police officer's life, they're not going to make me a police officer. I would still have to go through the academy. In "Menage a Troi", Wesley was given a field promotion after serving as ACTING ENSIGN for nearly two years! And in "Coming of Age", there was another acting ensign, Jake Kurland, so it obviously wasn't just for saving someone's life. Plus -- follow me closely here -- Ensign... is... far... from... Captain.[If you would like a non-Trek precendent, in C.S. Forester's "Mister Midshipman Hornblower", Capt. Pellew promoted Horatio Hornblower from Midshipman (the equivalent of Ensign in those days) to Acting Lieutenant, pending the completion of his Navy Board examination.] This is a total Red Herring. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about, unless your argument is, "It's science fiction so we shouldn't expect it to make sense." If that is your argument, it goes a long way toward explaining your attitude. Clearly you don't take Star Trek seriously, so you shouldn't expect to understand the point of view of those of us who do take it seriously.
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Post by JADIS on Mar 7, 2010 18:13:55 GMT -6
All I can say is that money talks and since the new Star Trek movie made money then of course they are going to ride that success and make more. It's all about the green in Hollywood and I'm not talking Vulcan.
I enjoyed the remake. It was a fun movie to watch but to me it didn't have that Star Trek feel that I have grown to love. That is what made the difference to me, not all the inconsistencies in it.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Mar 8, 2010 8:42:01 GMT -6
That's a good way to put it, Jadis. Some of the other movies have had small inconsistancies, too. It's really the feel of the movie that was all wrong to me.
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Post by PIKE on Mar 10, 2010 15:06:01 GMT -6
Thats my feelings also Atoz 77, but like you said seems like we're the minority on this matter. Myself I'm starting with Enterprise and watching all DVD's chronologically to make me feel better. LOL Up to Season 2.
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Post by TaxmaN on May 13, 2010 7:50:24 GMT -6
I'm actually shocked that fans hated the new film and prefer The Final Frontier, Insurrection and Nemesis. I think they did a good job with the new film, admittedly the villian, Nero was a bit weak and the story could have been a bit better but overall it was a fun film, and changing the timeline opens the sequels up to more plot possibilities. I would have loved to have seen the scene they wrote for Shatner on screen though (the script of this scene is somewhere on trekmovie.com).
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 14, 2010 7:49:17 GMT -6
That's odd. I'm surprised that anybody liked the new film. Just one of those things, I guess.
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Post by TaxmaN on May 15, 2010 16:52:10 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong I love Star Trek the spin offs and the films (otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum lol) but I think the new film was the best one since First Contact. I still think Wrath of Kahn is still the best.
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Post by Kaiza Killa on Jul 14, 2010 20:56:10 GMT -6
I know that some fans did not enjoy this film. However, despite my love for Star Trek: The Original Series, I still enjoyed this film. I also find that it was not as bad as it could have been, which does it some credit. But most importantly, more is better, in my opinion, even if unnecessary. My primary justification for this statement is that, if one does not want to watch the extra material, they can simply choose to not do so. Conversely, the desire for some, or many, to see more material if it does not exist, is therefore not satisfied, if more material is not made.
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Post by Dr. Lyssira Caraway on Aug 14, 2010 7:37:01 GMT -6
... there is no way in any Military, no matter what heroic act you performed in battle, you would be promoted from Ensign to Captain, you might get the greatest medal offered (IE- Medal Of Honor), but not jump 5 ranks to Captain. Yeah that's OUR military. Star Fleet isn't our military. They run by similar rules, but I'm sure - as all things must - things were modified over time at necessity's needs.
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Post by Dr. Lyssira Caraway on Aug 14, 2010 7:46:36 GMT -6
Clearly you don't take Star Trek seriously, so you shouldn't expect to understand the point of view of those of us who do take it seriously. Easy, Atoz. You probably didn't mean to sound snappish, but *wince*... Just by their earlier statements, I can tell they take Star Trek very seriously. They made very valid points, comparing things within the nu!film to the TOS episodes. There were many elements of the old interwoven with the new and every time I watch the movie, now that I'm back into the fandom, I see another speck of cross-reference, I get more jokes, or find another parallel.
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