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Post by jedi1josh on May 4, 2010 18:28:57 GMT -6
I love Voyager so this thread is in no way hating on the show (my favorite Star Trek episode is from Voyager) but I have two major nitpicks I think are worth sharing.
1. Why would it take them 70 years to travel from the Delta quadrant back home? In Star Trek V they are able to travel from Earth to the center of the galaxy and back all in one movie.
2. The final episode where Janeway changes the past so they get home earlier changes everything they've accomplished since the time line was altered. What if just a few years before Voyager made it home they rescued a alien colony from certain disaster? Now that colony will never be rescued because Janeway altered history so that Voyager wouldn't be there to save them.
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 7, 2010 8:06:35 GMT -6
The center of the galaxy is actually an accretion disk of a supermassive black hole. Whatever it was they visited in "The Final Frontier" might have been near the center, but it wasn't the actual center. And this gives you one explanation for what took Voyager so long. They had to go the long way around the center of the galaxy, to avoid all that radiation.
In fact, I'm not a regular watcher of VOY, but didn't someone mention an episode in which they had to pass through an enormous void with no discernable stars? Is it possible that VOY was not actually in the Milky Way galaxy at all, but in one of the Magellanic Clouds?
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Post by andrewlee on May 7, 2010 8:23:16 GMT -6
The void they passed through could have been a gap between two of the spiral arms of the galaxy. I agree that they had to take the long way around to avoid the radiation and super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy.
The mistrust of the Vulcans to the Humans and the Humans resentment of the Vulcans in the 22nd century was repaired at the later part of the series at least!
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Post by Atoz 77 on May 8, 2010 8:23:20 GMT -6
Another way of answering this question is to point out that the movies in general don't seem to portray distance very accurately. In "First Contact", the Enterprise E was patrolling the Neutral Zone when the Borg attacked Earth, and it arrived while the battle was still going on -- which, considering the Borg, couldn't have been more than minutes! It's ridiculous to think that Romulus is really that close to Earth!
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Post by TaxmaN on May 13, 2010 9:54:05 GMT -6
I think its mainly down to Star Trek just having bad continuity, such as Klingon's having ridges in ENT, and Chekov recognising Kahn in The Wrath of Kahn
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Post by Arkroyal on May 13, 2010 14:39:50 GMT -6
I refer you to TV Tropes - "Sci Fi Writers have no Sense of Scale":
And that's just the example under "Distance - Movie" on the page. Warning though - TV Tropes is ADDICTIVE and never-ending especially the Star Trek stuff since it seems to have invented half the tropes (in the original's case) and with five series AND eleven films you can imagine just how many tropes have been used. It's fun though!
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Post by Spock on May 13, 2010 21:22:27 GMT -6
Big issue with these movies was that it seemed they rushed them, not thinking of small things that us die hard fans would figure out. We know how big the galaxy is via Star Trek information throughout the ages.
Voyagers main mission was to get home, they can not predict the future, so they don't think about things like "what if we saved so and so" it would just cause more problems then good.
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Post by kynan101 on May 14, 2010 12:47:36 GMT -6
i agree
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Post by Fairhavenmaiden on Dec 21, 2012 10:03:08 GMT -6
Voyager was still in the same galaxy but was thrown to the deep end of the Delta Quadrant. If you ever look at a galaxy chart that has the galaxy separated into four quadrants you will understand. That is actual science. Also earth is located in sector 001 (which is also actual science) and that is close to the Alpha-Beta quadrant boarder. The Romulan Empire (and I think the Klingon Empire) is actually located in the Beta Quadrant. So the whole bit about it taking 70 light years is correct and that turns into 70 years. (You have to think of what a light year actually is mathematically and scientifically
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Post by Fairhavenmaiden on Dec 21, 2012 10:14:47 GMT -6
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Post by Atoz 77 on Dec 26, 2012 8:28:43 GMT -6
I get the impression from watching TNG that there are a lot more than 150 planets. Maybe there are 150 STARBASES! But yes, the Federation is huge! I expect it would take you weeks in a starship to travel from one end of the Federation to the other.
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Post by Fairhavenmaiden on Dec 26, 2012 13:34:33 GMT -6
Is TNG the only Trek show that you watch? In the Federation of Planets there are 150 planets. Maybe we can say with 151 counting Bajor.
Also, it depends what type of starship you have. Think about the Intrepid class ship(Voyager) is really fast. The Galaxy class ship may not be so fast but it is powerful. A Nebula Class ship no so powerful or fast.
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Post by Spock on Dec 26, 2012 20:35:06 GMT -6
taken from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets"The United Federation of Planets, usually referred to as "The Federation," is a fictional interplanetary federal republic depicted in the Star Trek television series and motion pictures. In those episodes and films, the Federation is described as an interstellar federal polity with, as of the year 2373, more than 150 member planets and thousands of colonies spread across 8,000 light years " taken from: en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets" One of the most powerful interstellar states in known space, it encompassed 8,000 light years and at least a thousand planets. (TOS: "Metamorphosis") The total number of formal members worlds was over one hundred and fifty. (Star Trek: First Contact) " -------- There are 150 planets with a known 'hierarchy' or an established population, but in other words, there are more then 1000 planets in the whole space controlled by the federation .
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Post by Luke on Dec 27, 2012 11:17:12 GMT -6
I realize this isnt "official" but the guys I used to role play with had a book that listed 600 planets in the federation. And this was back in the late 80s early 90s.
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Post by Fairhavenmaiden on Dec 27, 2012 14:07:04 GMT -6
Okay that was some good info. Thanks for letting me know.
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