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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 7, 2008 8:56:22 GMT -6
Okay, let's talk about the movie "First Contact". I think it's a good movie, but I can't say it's my favorite because there are too many things about it that just don't ring true.
First, the Borg having time travel technology. Where did they get this? They could already have taken over the whole galaxy if they really had this! And how did the Enterprise return to the present once the story was over? They just sort of glossed over that.
Second, the speed with which the Borg boarded the Enterprise without being detected and took over half the ship before anyone knew they were there. And how various crewmen were assimiliated without any real attempt to save them.
Third, that horrible scene where Picard just lost it. That was completely out of character. I have a sneaky suspicion that in the first draft, Guinan was supposed to be the one to talk sense into him, but Whoopi Goldberg wasn't available for the movie, so they had to write that Lily into the story. But the whole situation just seemed totally artificial to me.
What do you think?
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Post by Luke on Jan 19, 2008 11:01:46 GMT -6
Yes I have to agree that I thought it was horrible the way they didnt even try to save crewmen who were being assimiliated. that was what spoiled the movie for me.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 22, 2008 8:40:31 GMT -6
Starfleet has known the Borg were coming for at least 10 or 12 years. Surely they had worked out some kind of countermeasure for the Borg's nanoprobes?
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Post by tngfan on Jan 30, 2008 23:13:56 GMT -6
I rather enjoyed the movie very much. About the only thing I didn't like was that they revealed a Borg Queen. In the series there really wasn't a leader of the Borg besides Picard and Lore from what I remember. In regards to time travel alot of time has passed since their last meeting. Maybe the Borg accumulated the knowledge of time travel from another race because if you noticed in the scene where the Enterprise D was pursuing the Borg sphere, sensors showed chronometric particles emanating from the Borg Sphere and Picard says "They are creating a temporal vortex," and Riker says "time travel." Obviously time travel was discovered at that point in time and the Borg gained the knowledge to begin their Conquest.
I also think that the battle towards the beginning should have been longer.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 1, 2008 9:27:26 GMT -6
You don't like that they "revealed" the Borg Queen, or you don't like the idea of a Borg Queen at all? I thought the concept of the Borg was that they were a hive mind and didn't need a central leader. And the end of the movie, when she was killed, rather implied that all the Borg died with her!
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Post by Luke on Mar 25, 2008 10:39:34 GMT -6
I just now noticed something strange. Once the Borg begin their attack on Earth, and the camera pans across the bridge of the Enterprise as they'r listening to the battle, there's an officer sitting at one of the starboard side tactical stations who's the spitting image of Zefram Cochrane! Isn't that weird?
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Post by Baggy52 on Mar 25, 2008 15:24:14 GMT -6
I personally didn't like the holodeck scene. That was a little off for me.
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Post by Luke on Apr 1, 2008 11:22:39 GMT -6
I think that was the first time I've seen the holodeck actually replicate costumes ON people. Usually in the past they dressed in their costumes before they went to the holodeck.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 11, 2008 8:09:42 GMT -6
Every time I watch the scene where Picard and Worf disconnect the deflector dish, I get the nagging feeling that something isn't right, and I've just now figured out what it is. Why in the world does the dish suddenly start drifting away? It may be "weightless" with respect to Earth, but it still has mass, it still has inertia, and Newton's First Law of Motion says that an object at rest will stay at rest until some force acts upon it. And there is nothing in that scene to indicate that the dish has little thrusters on it to push it away (Why would it? I don't remember anything in the series to indicate that ejecting the deflector dish was a common maneuver.)
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Post by LeopardessGirl on Jul 11, 2008 9:03:43 GMT -6
Wow Neither Did I?!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 18, 2008 8:07:59 GMT -6
The only thing I can propose is that Picard had arranged with Riker beforehand that once they got the thing unlatched, he would fire the positioning thrusters and slow down the Enterprise (VERY gently, so they wouldn't be blown off), and that's why the dish seemed to float away. The only trouble with that is that the Borg weren't anchored down as far as I can tell, so they would have drifted off with it!
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Post by Dataholic on Jul 18, 2008 13:42:22 GMT -6
There are a few things being discussed here that I hadn't really thought about previously. I like the scene on the holodeck. It showed some of Picard's demons in regard to the Borg. He obviously still holds it against them for assimilating him. He wanted revenge as Lily pointed out later in the movie. I'll try to address a couple of the other points in another post later on.
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Post by LeopardessGirl on Jul 18, 2008 14:53:01 GMT -6
Ok, I Remember Picard As Locutis In His Borg/Human Form. It Was An Interesting Episode.
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Post by macawol on Jul 19, 2008 7:15:16 GMT -6
You make Baby-jesus cry pointing out the obvious oversights in First Contact. But as the Borg is a TNG-image of Communism, so there have to be a figure-head, so 'Hocus-Pocus': A Borg-Queen. First Contact was just to surreal for my taste. The Temporal Paradoxes alone would be enough to make Temporal Command quit.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jul 21, 2008 8:02:47 GMT -6
You make Baby-jesus cry pointing out the obvious oversights in First Contact. Well, I only did it because at the time I started this thread, a couple of people had joined who said this was their favorite Star Trek movie. I wanted to point out some of the minor flaws and give them a chance to tell us what was so great about it. In fact, I think it is our Duty as Starfleet officers to explain these flaws when we can.
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