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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 22, 2008 8:35:22 GMT -6
That's a difficult question. On the one hand, no one has the right to order you to go against your moral principles. On the other hand, the entire concept of military chain of command is that your superiors are privy to information you may not have. You can't question your orders.
I guess I'm going to have put this down as one of those bridges I would have to cross when I came to it.
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Post by Luke on Jan 23, 2008 11:31:27 GMT -6
You can't allow people to disobey orders. That's what commanding officers are for. If it were an obviously unlawful order, it would be different, like Ron Tracy's order to violate the Prime Directive. But in a situation where its kill or be killed, you have to give your superior officers the benefit of the doubt.
BTW, I agree that kiliing the Borg wouldn't be genocide, because they're not a species to themselves. Some friends of mine discussed this once, and that was pretty our consensus too.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 25, 2008 8:51:45 GMT -6
On the other hand, it occurs to me that you could make the same statement about a joined Trill. It's a symbiotic relationship, but the Trill and it's host are separate species. The deciding factor there is that the host volunteers to be host, and is still a sentient being. Isn't it?
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Post by Luke on Jan 26, 2008 10:41:13 GMT -6
I had a friend who used to argue that the Borg aren't a sentient race because they don't have a culture or individual self-awareness. They just exist for the purpose of existing. You know when we met Hugh he didn't seem to have any individuality until Geordi had cut him off from the collective.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Jan 28, 2008 8:35:19 GMT -6
I can agree with that. Whatever common goals the Borg have is imposed on them either by their hive mind or by the Borg Queen, so they're not truly sentient beings. They don't really have self-determination, which is the basic idea of human rights, or should I say Sentient Rights.
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Post by jackdawson on Feb 13, 2008 16:29:49 GMT -6
Frame of mind is my favorite. Now that I think about it, almost all of them are great.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 14, 2008 8:36:34 GMT -6
"Frame of Mind"? Is that the one where Riker was trapped in an insane asylum?
"That's understandable, considering you stabbed her nine times!" That one?
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Post by jackdawson on Feb 14, 2008 9:49:53 GMT -6
Yeah, then he gets outta his seat and says NOOOOO!! And slams the dude against the wall then he gets hypoed or something. I think it was a he.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 18, 2008 8:45:15 GMT -6
That was a fascinating story. Kind of blurred the distinction between reality and illusion, didn't it? You can understand why he'd want to personally make sure the set had been torn down at the end!
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Post by lizard on Feb 19, 2008 8:57:35 GMT -6
"The Inner Light" (I thinks that was what it was called, anyways, I mean the one where Picard has the life inside his head and all that) was beautifully done - I might have even cried at some point. And the Q one where Warf says he is not a merry man is really good too. ;D
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Post by joshc on Feb 19, 2008 9:19:57 GMT -6
Frame of mind is my favorite. Now that I think about it, almost all of them are great. Yeah Jack, Frame of Mind was a great one. Although I don't personally have a favourite, so many to choose from.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 21, 2008 8:59:27 GMT -6
"The Inner Light" -- oh, yes! How would be to live an entire lifetime in the space of only a few minutes? I think they got that idea from a Mark Twain story, by the way. And I seem to remember it aired just after "Time's Arrow", where Mark Twain appeared. Coincidence? You decide....
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Post by Luke on Feb 22, 2008 12:02:38 GMT -6
That was the one where Picard learned to play that little flute thing, wasn't it? Yeah, that was also one of my favorites. He had a family and everything, something he never would have done in real life.
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Post by Atoz 77 on Feb 28, 2008 9:05:25 GMT -6
Both of those episodes have a sort of Trekkism component to them. In "The Inner Light", there is an ordinary man running around saying, "I don't belong here. I belong on a starship." And in "Frame of Mind", there's that mental patient thinking she's built a communicator out of a soup spoon, and all she has to do is press the button and they'll beam her away. Isn't that interesting?
I often go outside at night to just look at the stars. Sometimes I'll see a satellite go by and catch myself thinking that's the Enterprise (or the Deja Vu). I'll see the running lights of an airplane and think, "That's a shuttlecraft coming down to pick me up." Of course this is just a passing fancy, and I don't take it seriously. Don't we all think that way sometimes?
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Post by Luke on Feb 29, 2008 11:38:44 GMT -6
I usually keep my fantasy life a lot more separate from real life than that. But when I used to play role-playing games, we would sometimes go to the mall in character. That was a lot of fun.
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