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Post by Dataholic on Apr 24, 2009 13:08:07 GMT -6
There may be articles on this, I'm not really sure. I guess I'm looking more for your opinions. Why did they decide to air Enterprise rather than something that takes place after Voyager? Obviously it failed miserably, although it did manage to last 4 seasons. I still watch reruns because I like the show overall, but I'm a fanboy, lol. I'll take a stab at what I think is the #1 reason. They wanted to take this franchise in a slightly different direction by going to the early days of Starfleet. It allowed the characters (in their opinion) to be a lot more relatable to the viewers because they live in a time which isn't as far in the future as other Star Trek series. I think they also thought this would bring in a new group of fans. Instead they basically drove off most of the fans they had left because of them (at times) ignoring canon, along with other gaffes. I'll leave it at that for now. Hopefully all of that is coherent.
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Post by shakfar on Apr 24, 2009 15:31:02 GMT -6
personally i dident really hold their mistakes against them and i thought that it was rather good i wish that they would bring it back and make more seasons (did they ever finish the whole zindi mess?)
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Post by andrewlee on Apr 25, 2009 14:07:05 GMT -6
As far as going with the prequel series "Enterprise" is concerned; I'm not sure exactly why they did this. In some ways it does make sense in what was posted above. I was more expecting a new series to take place in a later time period. In-spite of "Enterprise" being non-canon in a lot of ways, I did like a lot of the episodes! If the series would have continued in the right way, it would have been during the Earth Romulan war period just before Earth and it's allies formed the Federation. This would have been interesting! They skipped passed this Romulan war era to the series finale which to me was a disappointment in many ways!
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Post by Atoz 77 on Apr 27, 2009 7:46:08 GMT -6
I think they also thought this would bring in a new group of fans. Instead they basically drove off most of the fans they had left because of them (at times) ignoring canon, along with other gaffes. I'm sure it wasn't their intention to ignore canon; I think they just re-imagined it a little. They probably thought us older fans would welcome something that harked back to the original a little bit more. And, as Andrew said, they could show us how the Federation began, how the Romulan wars started, and so forth. And to a certain extent, it did work. I wasn't comfortable with the idea of Vulcans as scheming, manipulative snobs, but I tried to make the best of it.
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Post by Dataholic on Apr 27, 2009 12:42:26 GMT -6
I think they also thought this would bring in a new group of fans. Instead they basically drove off most of the fans they had left because of them (at times) ignoring canon, along with other gaffes. I'm sure it wasn't their intention to ignore canon; I think they just re-imagined it a little. They probably thought us older fans would welcome something that harked back to the original a little bit more. And, as Andrew said, they could show us how the Federation began, how the Romulan wars started, and so forth. And to a certain extent, it did work. I wasn't comfortable with the idea of Vulcans as scheming, manipulative snobs, but I tried to make the best of it. I don't mean to say it was intentional, but a lot of fans were turned off by their approach with this series. I still like catching reruns when I can. I always enjoyed watching it. I actually liked what they did with the Vulcans. They may be more "advanced" than humans, but they're obviously more like humans than they want to admit. I think it was an interesting dynamic.
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Post by shakfar on Apr 27, 2009 19:46:12 GMT -6
lol the high vulcan councell often lose their temper and archer hast to remind them that they are not human
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Post by Atoz 77 on Apr 28, 2009 8:07:34 GMT -6
Well, that was another mistake, to me. Vulcans aren't supposed to lose their tempers. Vulcans are supposed to be in control of their emotions. That's what makes them Vulcans. I even remember a scene where ambassador Sokal claims that Vulcans "pride ourselves on having no emotions." But Pride is an emotion, too! Spock would never had said something like that.
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Post by andrewlee on Apr 28, 2009 9:13:53 GMT -6
Very good point Atoz. I have noticed the same thing about Vulcans in the Enterprise era and their behavior. It was Captain Archer who got them set on their path they are on in later time periods by finding the "Kir Shara" which had the true teachings of "Surak" and stopping the Romulan influence and plot to take over the Vulcans!
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Post by kijuro on May 14, 2009 18:26:05 GMT -6
Matthew, I agree 100 percent with your top post. I also think that Enterprise is supposed to be canon, and they used the Time War to circumvent everything. Plus, some things from TOS didn't make sense, such as how Zefram Cochrane was the one who invented warp drive, but suddenly everyone has warp, so they were ignored.
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Post by andrewlee on May 16, 2009 18:20:50 GMT -6
Zefrem Cochran was the first human to invent warp drive. That is what he was famous for. Just because other races/species had warp drive before humans did does not invalidate his achievement! They simply arrived at the same invention separately and at different times!
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Post by kijuro on May 17, 2009 13:31:37 GMT -6
Yeah, but there's an episode of DS9 where Sisko makes a primitive warp ship using ancient Bajoran plans. O'Brien doesn't think that the Bajorans could have achieved warp speed so long ago, and Kira accuses him of being a Romulan: thinking that his race invented everything. I think that the original intent was that Cochrane invented warp drive before everyone else, except for the ancient cultures like the T'Kon.
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Post by andrewlee on May 17, 2009 15:27:26 GMT -6
The ship you are referring to is an ancient Bajoran solar sale ship that was of the same type that made it all the way to Cardassia a long time ago. In the story the replica solar sale ship broke the light barrier because of tachyons that move faster than the speed of light hit the solar sail ship's sails. The result was Sisko making it to Cardassia. This was all unintended! I stand by my statement about Zefrem Cochran being the first Human to invent warp drive and that other species like the Vulcans had warp drive before Humans did. It's cannon!! Look it up!!
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Post by kijuro on May 17, 2009 21:49:59 GMT -6
I believe you. However, I think the intent in TOS and in some of the later material was for Cochrane to be the initial inventor. Enterprise went back and, while not exactly setting things straight, set matters firmly crooked.
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Post by andrewlee on May 17, 2009 21:54:37 GMT -6
Kijuro I understand how inconsistencies can cause confusion in these matters. We can agree to disagree and not argue about it, but we can discuss this further if you wish.
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Post by kijuro on May 17, 2009 22:03:19 GMT -6
No, that's fine. I don't want to make a problem.
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